Sep 15 13:56:30 dmwaters ok, and here we go Sep 15 13:56:35 * kloeri_ waves Sep 15 13:56:36 * dmwaters sets mode +m #gentoo-devrel Sep 15 13:56:40 * dmwaters gives voice to hparker Sep 15 13:56:50 dmwaters who all is here/awake? Sep 15 13:57:06 * fmccor is awake, sort of. Sep 15 13:57:08 ka0ttic moo Sep 15 13:57:09 * dmwaters knows fmccor and vapier are Sep 15 13:57:15 dmwaters ka0ttic: ++ Sep 15 13:57:20 slarti hi all Sep 15 13:57:29 * kloeri_ is awake and present :) Sep 15 13:57:30 dmwaters slarti: ++ Sep 15 13:57:30 * hparker is here Sep 15 13:57:39 dmwaters kloeri_: ++ Sep 15 13:57:51 dmwaters ok, we're looking better this time:) Sep 15 13:58:03 kloeri_ yeah, much improved turnout from last time :) Sep 15 13:58:04 kingtaco|work I'm in and out Sep 15 13:58:09 dmwaters hi mike:) Sep 15 13:58:12 kingtaco|work hola Sep 15 13:58:19 dmwaters so Sep 15 13:58:23 dmwaters recruiter people Sep 15 13:58:31 dmwaters how are we looking bugs wise? Sep 15 13:59:03 dmwaters from a brief look through what we've got, we seem to be fairly on track Sep 15 13:59:31 kloeri_ I've cleaned up my new-dev bugs and I'm going to pick up new devs probably tomorrow Sep 15 13:59:47 slarti dmwaters: eleven new dev bugs without an assignee Sep 15 13:59:58 dmwaters hrmmm Sep 15 14:00:08 dmwaters i didn't realize that when i was looking Sep 15 14:00:20 dmwaters ka0ttic: where are you with new devs? Sep 15 14:00:45 kingtaco|work dmwaters, a new recruiter or 2 would be wonderful Sep 15 14:00:53 kloeri_ I can pick up probably 3 or 4 tomorrow and try to push them through Sep 15 14:00:54 dmwaters kingtaco|work: yeah, was thinking that Sep 15 14:01:02 dmwaters especially with you out of commission Sep 15 14:01:06 kingtaco|work yeah Sep 15 14:01:21 kingtaco|work I'll be available to set gentooAccess during the days Sep 15 14:01:23 dmwaters i want to see where ka0ttic is with them to Sep 15 14:01:31 kingtaco|work but not anything more until the DSL line is installed Sep 15 14:01:35 dmwaters nods Sep 15 14:01:37 kingtaco|work it should be tommorow, but who knows Sep 15 14:01:45 dmwaters anyone know what's going on with sejo? Sep 15 14:02:00 kingtaco|work ISP issues, he said he was going to be out for quite a while Sep 15 14:02:01 dostrow_work dmwaters: I'm back Sep 15 14:02:07 dmwaters dostrow_work: ++ Sep 15 14:02:29 kloeri_ I think sejo will be back beginning of next month or so Sep 15 14:02:34 dmwaters anyone logging this who can tag, bag, and send after this is over with? Sep 15 14:02:42 * dostrow_work is Sep 15 14:02:57 slarti dostrow_work: leave some devrelsnacks for the rest of us Sep 15 14:03:00 dmwaters youre elected then Sep 15 14:03:05 dostrow_work w00t! Sep 15 14:03:13 * dmwaters prods ka0ttic Sep 15 14:03:24 * Maedhros (n=jc@...) has joined #gentoo-devrel Sep 15 14:03:50 dmwaters well, i'll prod him later then Sep 15 14:03:59 dmwaters any handbook people here? Sep 15 14:04:21 * dmwaters looks at dostrow_work and vapier Sep 15 14:04:28 dostrow_work ? Sep 15 14:04:48 vapier whats up Sep 15 14:04:51 dmwaters we've got a lot of bugs open related to the handbook, anyone working on those? Sep 15 14:04:57 kingtaco|work you cannot send, toucan is down and noone will get mail Sep 15 14:05:05 dmwaters crap Sep 15 14:05:05 kingtaco|work unless they fixed it in the past 3 hours Sep 15 14:05:09 vapier didnt know we had bugs Sep 15 14:05:15 vapier so the answer is 'no' i guess Sep 15 14:05:21 dmwaters vapier: look at the bugs assigned to devrel Sep 15 14:05:36 ka0ttic dmwaters: sorry I had a phone call Sep 15 14:05:39 dmwaters some of those are rather old, and should be dealt with Sep 15 14:05:43 vapier yeah i thought those were just for recruiting and such ... i'm used to watching the docs-team list Sep 15 14:05:49 dmwaters ka0ttic: ok Sep 15 14:06:01 dmwaters vapier: nope, handbook bugs for devs go to us Sep 15 14:06:03 vapier i'll review em tonight Sep 15 14:06:08 dmwaters thanks Sep 15 14:06:19 dmwaters ka0ttic: how are you doing with new devs? Sep 15 14:06:20 vapier where are the quizzes located ? Sep 15 14:06:23 vapier just in cvs ? Sep 15 14:06:28 ka0ttic dmwaters: been busy lately. I have one I just went over the end quiz with. he's good to do when I have time Sep 15 14:06:28 dmwaters vapier: yeah Sep 15 14:06:32 vapier (need to update the manager references to cover council and such) Sep 15 14:06:49 ka0ttic dmwaters: pretty sure that's the only assigned recruit I have right now Sep 15 14:06:51 dostrow_work yeah the metastructure questions need some lovin Sep 15 14:07:02 vapier we've got a laundry list on the council list Sep 15 14:07:04 dmwaters that they do Sep 15 14:07:04 vapier i'll go through that too Sep 15 14:07:12 dostrow_work vapier: hit me up tonight if you don't have time or need some extra hands with the handbook Sep 15 14:07:29 dmwaters vapier: i'll love you forever if you give it some specially needed attention Sep 15 14:07:45 vapier i'll hold you to that Sep 15 14:08:04 dmwaters ka0ttic: are you going to be able to keep doing them, or too busy? Sep 15 14:08:19 dostrow_work vapier: I'd like to see us working toward getting the "Write and ebuild for this app" question on the quiz as well Sep 15 14:08:32 ka0ttic dmwaters: yeah I'll still be able to do them Sep 15 14:08:37 dmwaters ok Sep 15 14:09:02 hparker dostrow_work: The end quiz? Sep 15 14:09:03 dmwaters ok, let's talk about hparker Sep 15 14:09:10 hparker Eeekk Sep 15 14:09:11 dostrow_work hparker: yeah Sep 15 14:09:38 hparker dostrow_work: Ok, we're still using ebuild.quiz for ATs, wanted to be sure ;) Sep 15 14:09:40 dostrow_work dmwaters: yeah what I jerk that hparker guy is....erm I mean...Hi hparker! Sep 15 14:09:46 dmwaters hparker has offered to be my slave...err...join devrel.:) right now, i think he wants to set in and get used to things etc, any objections? Sep 15 14:09:47 hparker lol Sep 15 14:09:59 hparker slave.... heh Sep 15 14:10:00 kingtaco|work nail him to the wall Sep 15 14:10:06 fmccor Sounds good. Sep 15 14:10:17 dmwaters kingtaco|work: i have special torture just for him:) Sep 15 14:10:26 kingtaco|work :) Sep 15 14:10:29 * araujo (n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo) has joined #gentoo-devrel Sep 15 14:10:30 hparker Ru roh Sep 15 14:11:12 dmwaters anyone else?:) Sep 15 14:11:26 kloeri_ no objections from me Sep 15 14:11:34 ka0ttic likewise Sep 15 14:11:45 dmwaters ok then Sep 15 14:11:57 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to hparker Sep 15 14:12:03 * dmwaters gives channel operator status to hparker Sep 15 14:12:10 dmwaters hparker welcome to our world:) Sep 15 14:12:12 hparker Thanks everyone Sep 15 14:12:17 hparker I think ;) Sep 15 14:12:25 dmwaters feel free to torment him, i think he likes it:) Sep 15 14:12:27 * dmwaters hides Sep 15 14:12:31 hparker lol Sep 15 14:12:38 kloeri_ :) Sep 15 14:12:47 dmwaters ok Sep 15 14:12:50 dmwaters last item then Sep 15 14:12:57 dmwaters then we can all go back to sleep:) Sep 15 14:13:05 dmwaters kingtaco|work: ^^ Sep 15 14:13:06 dostrow_work hparker: you will fast learn that the whole point here is "Who can get close to plasmaroo in the insanity department the fastest." Sep 15 14:13:18 hparker rofl Sep 15 14:13:28 dmwaters plasmaroo hasn't been seen lately Sep 15 14:13:36 hparker Padded room? Sep 15 14:13:47 vapier dostrow_work: armin @ di btw Sep 15 14:13:48 dostrow_work he set his devaway....limited connectivity for a few days iirc Sep 15 14:13:50 hparker I hear there's no 'net access from them Sep 15 14:13:55 dostrow_work vapier: listening Sep 15 14:13:57 dostrow_work :) Sep 15 14:14:25 dmwaters so, the change to the policy that was braught to me. thoughts, feedback, flames etc? most of those who origionally braught it to me aren't here, so Sep 15 14:15:14 fmccor As I've said, I'd prefer to hold off on changes until we try it once. Sep 15 14:15:18 dostrow_work vis a vis the enfocement stuff from devrel? Sep 15 14:15:26 dostrow_work I agree with fmccor there Sep 15 14:15:27 dmwaters dostrow_work: yes Sep 15 14:15:41 dmwaters kingtaco|work: ^^^^ Sep 15 14:15:45 ka0ttic I agree completely with fmccor. Sep 15 14:15:46 kloeri_ imo the division in jury and investigative teams is teams and I'm not really convinced it's quite as bad as some thinks Sep 15 14:15:46 vapier i'm with fmccor too Sep 15 14:15:56 dostrow_work I see no reason to change it under the guise of "Its too much red tape." when we have never used it Sep 15 14:16:08 fmccor There's a lot of email back and forth on efficiency vs due process considerations, and we just don't know, yet. Sep 15 14:16:08 kloeri_ agreed Sep 15 14:16:17 vapier if it's bad lets fix it but lets find out if it's bad first before arguing over it Sep 15 14:16:24 dostrow_work agreed Sep 15 14:16:45 slarti agreed Sep 15 14:16:49 fmccor I do sort of like g2boojum's idea about broadening the span of possible panel members, though. Sep 15 14:17:05 hparker As the n00b... How much investigative/jury work is there? Sep 15 14:17:07 vapier which was that ? Sep 15 14:17:12 dmwaters it's been suggested before and was voted down Sep 15 14:17:18 vapier nm then Sep 15 14:17:19 dostrow_work we've discussed that ad nauseum....the problem is the only way to make it effective is to make it manditory Sep 15 14:17:31 fmccor dmwaters, OK. Sep 15 14:17:42 fmccor dostrow_work, true. Sep 15 14:17:54 dmwaters hparker: see topic for policy url Sep 15 14:17:57 fmccor hparker, we don't know yet Sep 15 14:18:02 hparker Ahhh Sep 15 14:18:15 vapier we've just got a whole variety of opinions on the amount Sep 15 14:18:27 dostrow_work hparker: that's the whole thing...if you look at devrels history they have had to actually act on things in a big way only three times Sep 15 14:18:46 dostrow_work namely brad_mssw, pappy, and ciaranm Sep 15 14:19:09 dostrow_work most of the stuff is resolved before it ever gets to that stage Sep 15 14:19:14 hparker I mean, I can see the point of jury being seperate, but... Seems overkill to me Sep 15 14:19:17 slarti dostrow_work: i agree Sep 15 14:19:25 dmwaters well, since mike isn't here then that's it, we'll leave it as is Sep 15 14:19:37 * vapier slaps kingtaco|work on the bum Sep 15 14:19:45 slarti the thing is, if we're dealing with such a low frequency of events, we may as well judge them properly Sep 15 14:19:58 dmwaters and since the others aren't here to defend their request, we'll leave it, to Sep 15 14:20:46 dmwaters the one thing fmccor suggested though and i agree with is that we don't pick the teams till we actually have an issue to deal with Sep 15 14:21:09 slarti yeah. Sep 15 14:21:22 hparker That sounds fair Sep 15 14:21:23 fmccor I thought the policy was written that way. If not, I just messed up there. Sep 15 14:21:28 dostrow_work I could understand needing a mroe streamlined process if A). we had tried it and saw that it was too long or B). we had rampant crazy devs causing problems week in and week out....neither of which is true at the moment Sep 15 14:21:32 dmwaters fmccor: it was never decided Sep 15 14:21:47 dostrow_work I agree with that Sep 15 14:21:51 fmccor dostrow_work, Yes. Sep 15 14:21:55 dmwaters dostrow_work: at the moment :) Sep 15 14:22:04 dostrow_work we have the pools of people to choose from, no need to choose until something comes up Sep 15 14:22:11 dmwaters dostrow_work: agreed Sep 15 14:22:12 fmccor Right. Sep 15 14:22:19 kloeri_ agreed Sep 15 14:22:34 dmwaters so then Sep 15 14:22:37 hparker Don't need the "Good budy" system going to work against the process Sep 15 14:22:39 dmwaters we leave things as they are Sep 15 14:22:43 hparker Buddy even Sep 15 14:22:59 dmwaters anyone have any other topics? Sep 15 14:23:32 dostrow_work the only other topic (and I think it has to wait for the council meeting to be over is finalizing the relationship between QA and devrel vis a vis technical issues Sep 15 14:23:40 dmwaters dostrow_work: yeah Sep 15 14:23:48 dmwaters dostrow_work: council needs to decide there Sep 15 14:23:54 fmccor Yes, that's some of the email I was refering to. Sep 15 14:23:58 dmwaters fmccor: got time after meeting? Sep 15 14:24:00 kloeri_ there's also a good deal of devs being retired Sep 15 14:24:05 fmccor dmwaters, sure. Sep 15 14:24:11 dmwaters kloeri_: yeah Sep 15 14:24:22 kloeri_ I agree with whoever said that we need some documented process on how to handle that Sep 15 14:24:32 dmwaters kloeri_: now that i'm caught back up i can push those through which i've started doing Sep 15 14:24:46 dmwaters kloeri_: i'm going to work with infra on that Sep 15 14:24:56 dostrow_work vapier: where the streets have no name???? now that is odd Sep 15 14:24:58 kloeri_ great Sep 15 14:24:59 * Borges (n=anpereir@gentoo/developer/anpereir) has joined #gentoo-devrel Sep 15 14:25:16 kloeri_ I'll just keep working with jakub on retiring half the devs :) Sep 15 14:25:25 fmccor Seems like it. Sep 15 14:25:27 dmwaters kloeri_: thanks:) Sep 15 14:25:40 vapier so the new ldap system allows us to do much better tracking of active devs ? Sep 15 14:25:51 dmwaters vapier: makes it easier to retire them Sep 15 14:26:07 dostrow_work since only one account needs to be changed Sep 15 14:26:23 dmwaters vapier: may make it easier to track to, i dunno Sep 15 14:26:34 kloeri_ tracking is still kinda random.. whenever I see a name that I don't immediately recognise as an active I check last commit etc. Sep 15 14:26:55 vapier as long as we can retire em that'd be good Sep 15 14:26:59 dmwaters kloeri_: the 2 of you keep filing bugs as you find them Sep 15 14:27:20 kloeri_ will do Sep 15 14:27:28 dmwaters vapier: infra still wants to retire them, so all we really can do is give our approval and leave it up to infra to do Sep 15 14:27:43 vapier dostrow_work: i lubz when they remix old school ... it's why i listen to eurodance so much ;) Sep 15 14:28:01 dostrow_work vapier: indeed Sep 15 14:28:16 dmwaters anyone else? Sep 15 14:28:39 vapier where's plasmaroo ? Sep 15 14:28:48 dostrow_work I think we are all good...I'd like to have another meeting to finalize a policy vis a vis qa after that is settled by the council Sep 15 14:29:00 dostrow_work vapier: afk with limited availability for a whi;e Sep 15 14:29:04 dostrow_work *while Sep 15 14:29:07 vapier ah Sep 15 14:29:36 dmwaters dostrow_work: that's easy enough to do, but it's got to wait for them Sep 15 14:29:44 dmwaters so Sep 15 14:29:47 dmwaters we're done! Sep 15 14:29:53 * dmwaters sets mode -m #gentoo-devrel