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On Wednesday 09 November 2005 16:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 17:57 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote: |
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> > On Monday 07 November 2005 15:27, Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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> > > ... |
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> > > |
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> > > > Hmm, I'd like it, if we also (re)moved stage1 and stage2 from visible |
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> > > > directory, and renamed stage3 to something more appropriate by the |
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> > > > 2006.0. I mean, it will probably be confusing for a new user if the |
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> > > > guide just says "Oh, we have this things that say 1 and 2 in the |
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> > > > directory, but please ignore them and start from 3, because 1 and 2 |
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> > > > are only for devs, k?" And it won't help, that old users will most |
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> > > > likely continue to advice for stage 1 in so many support channels. |
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> > > |
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> > > I'm not sure if the removal of stages 1 and 2 will happen in time for |
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> > > 2006.0, simply because it is a *very* heated issue and one that will |
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> > > take some serious politics to get enacted. |
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> > > |
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> > > I guarantee that I won't be a popular guy. *grin* |
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> > |
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> > That's where a bit of PR and marketing techniques could help... if you |
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> > say "Release Engeneering decided to not release stage1 and stage2 for |
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> > 2006.0." every user out there will try to kill you. |
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> > Instead, if you announce "For 2006.0, Release Engeneering decided to |
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> > unify the functionalities of the three installation stages you were used |
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> > to in single Stage file that provides the same capabilities and |
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> > flexibility with less complication." (and change the handbook along this |
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> > direction) how can someone complain about that? |
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> Doing a bootstrap from a stage3 tarball is worthless. You've made it |
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> sound like users should bootstrap from a stage3 tarball. |
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> While I completely agree that it is all in how you present it, there are |
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> certain things that we absolutely wish to get away from, and one of them |
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> is having the user *ever* run bootstrap.sh themselves. |
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Sure, I was thinking at the handbook in the followng terms: for users that |
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want maximum customization (ex stage1 users) it should suggest to untar the |
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stage, tweak make.conf and run emerge -e system, while for other users (ex |
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stage3 users) it should suggest to untar the stage and go on with the normal |
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instructions. |
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