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From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>
Subject: Re: Stage1/2 deprecation from Gentoo Handbook
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:35:19 -0500
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 22:41 +0000, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:27:26 +0100
> Sven Vermeulen <swift@g.o> wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to have the stages/ directory only contain stage3 files and
> > have the stage1/2's in experimental or similar.
> 
> If most of us are to be advised to use only stage 3 for installation,
> that will remove one of the main advantages of Gentoo, namely having
> everything compiled on the machine it's running on. What advice will be
> offered on remerging first the toolkit, then the system packages and
> then the world files? Is maguire's emwrap script to be promoted?
> (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-282474-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-200.html)

It removes 0 advantages.

Why are you spreading such blatant misinformation?

Exactly what is gained by compiling the toolchain twice on your system?
What do you gain that can not be accomplished by using a stage3 tarball,
editing make.conf, and running an emerge -e system?

The main point is pretty simple.  There is 0 reason to compile the
toolchain twice.  You gain 0 performance.  You gain 0 customization
options.  You lose quite a bit of time and introduce countless
possibilities for errors that are completely user-created that get
pushed onto the Release Engineering team to "support".

Think about this.

nano -w /etc/make.conf
scripts/bootstrap.sh
emerge -e system

Now, think about this.

tar xjpf /mnt/cdrom/stage3-x86-2005.1.tar.bz2
nano -w /etc/make.conf
emerge -e system

Both produce the same output when you are done.  Both give you a
customized system with *your* choices of USE and CFLAGS.  However, only
the stage3 method *ensures* that you have a complete and usable system
to perform your installation.  The only thing that you have done by
adding in the bootstrap step is you have compiled the toolchain twice,
with 0 net gain.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux
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