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From: "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" <klondike@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Build dependencies and upgrades.
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:08:22 +0200
El 11/10/11 21:36, Alec Warner escribió:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
> (klondike) <klondike@g.o> wrote:
>> El 11/10/11 20:55, Markos Chandras escribió:
>>> On 10/11/11 19:50, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Today I have found that build dependencies are left in the system
>>>> but won't be upgraded when running emerge -vauD1 world. This can be
>>>> inconvenient since security issues fixed in those left over
>>>> packages won't be applied properly. So, is there any reason for
>>>> this behaviour? Shouldn't build dependencies either be cleaned with
>>>> --depclean after building or be upgraded to avoid possible issues?
>>>> Sorry if this gets in here twice, I used an incorrect account.
>>>
>>> Maybe you want the --with-bdeps parameter along with the -D one?. man
>>> emerge -> section Options -> parameter -D
>> That makes sense but then the problem is on the poor documentation we
>> have in the Internet.
>> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1
>> Here no mention to that option is made
>> Nor is in:
>> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-upgrading.xml
>>
>> And in fact no mention to the option is made in the doc space at all. I
>> may also be wrong here but I don't recall finding it when I started with
>> portage and no notice was issued since then so either I misunderstood
>> it, kinda likely by then, or it was added later. And the fact it wasn't
>> commented at all in the documentation didn't help.
>>
>> The question now is anybody thinks this shouldn't appear in the
>> handbook? If nobody has a problem I'll prepare a patch.
>>
>> PS: howarang thanks for the point I found it really odd this was missing.
>>
>>
> FYI: there are a truckload of options that are available in portage
> but are not documented in the handbook. I'm not really sure
> replicating the portage manpages in the handbook is necessarily a good
> way to move forward. Ideally we would direct users to just read the
> manpages.
Antarus, an user who has read the whole installation handbook and is new
to the distro should by then have a lot of new ideas in mind to direct
them to man pages written in a more technical way creating even more
confusion. Add to to that any search on how to update / upgrade Gentoo
and you will find the same set of commands almost always:
$ emerge -u world
$ emerge -uD world
With no references to other parameters at all. Which can make users
assume that it is a safe default. If you look in the docs I provided
you'll see it is the case.



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