On Wednesday 09 November 2005 16:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 17:57 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote:
> > On Monday 07 November 2005 15:27, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > Hmm, I'd like it, if we also (re)moved stage1 and stage2 from visible
> > > > directory, and renamed stage3 to something more appropriate by the
> > > > 2006.0. I mean, it will probably be confusing for a new user if the
> > > > guide just says "Oh, we have this things that say 1 and 2 in the
> > > > directory, but please ignore them and start from 3, because 1 and 2
> > > > are only for devs, k?" And it won't help, that old users will most
> > > > likely continue to advice for stage 1 in so many support channels.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if the removal of stages 1 and 2 will happen in time for
> > > 2006.0, simply because it is a *very* heated issue and one that will
> > > take some serious politics to get enacted.
> > >
> > > I guarantee that I won't be a popular guy. *grin*
> > That's where a bit of PR and marketing techniques could help... if you
> > say "Release Engeneering decided to not release stage1 and stage2 for
> > 2006.0." every user out there will try to kill you.
> > Instead, if you announce "For 2006.0, Release Engeneering decided to
> > unify the functionalities of the three installation stages you were used
> > to in single Stage file that provides the same capabilities and
> > flexibility with less complication." (and change the handbook along this
> > direction) how can someone complain about that?
> Doing a bootstrap from a stage3 tarball is worthless. You've made it
> sound like users should bootstrap from a stage3 tarball.
> While I completely agree that it is all in how you present it, there are
> certain things that we absolutely wish to get away from, and one of them
> is having the user *ever* run bootstrap.sh themselves.
Sure, I was thinking at the handbook in the followng terms: for users that
want maximum customization (ex stage1 users) it should suggest to untar the
stage, tweak make.conf and run emerge -e system, while for other users (ex
stage3 users) it should suggest to untar the stage and go on with the normal
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