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Subject: Re: [gentoo-embedded] Hard Real Time Systems with Gentoo?
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:37:14
Message-Id: 45A9180A.8040700@tampabay.rr.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-embedded] Hard Real Time Systems with Gentoo? by momentics
1 momentics wrote:
2 > so, from the above, your point is that HRT system should have no
3 > laxity on its deadlines?
4
5 I think the very nature of the definition is that a HRT system
6 meets or exceeds timing constraints. If you say a HRT system
7 is 150ns +/- 10%, you are really saying your absolute
8 timing deadline is 165ns, to as many significant digits
9 as you like.
10
11 The mere fact you are asking/questioning with the term
12 'laxity' means it's not a HRT. A HRT has to be defined
13 with some sort of absolute timing constraints, otherwise
14 it breaks down to a SRT system with arbitrary constraints.
15
16 > ie the granularity of measures lim(granularity)-> zero
17
18 Well, this is a skewed representation. I like to think of
19 it more like a logic based system. It either meets or exceeds
20 timing constraints, or it does not.
21
22 > like a mathematical abstraction (little's law) that it is impossible
23 > to catch a tortoise up…
24
25 Um, that story has lots of parameters that are not characterized
26 as merely timing or deadlines, like the unpredictable/irrational
27 behavior of the fox, Who cold have merely trotted into compliance
28 (beaten the tortoise) and still have enjoyed frivolity along the
29 journey. And yes that race did not have any specific timing
30 constraint it was 'best effort' as we know there was not a specific
31 allotted amount of time to finish, just who crossed the finish line
32 first. That said, this story does mimic the arguments about hard/soft
33 real time, as they are sheer folly.....
34
35 It's all about latency, reliability(demonstrated via reproducible,
36 timing constraint results), and on rare occasions, deterministic sub
37 systems. A system that never fails is fault tolerant, until it
38 actually fails. Just look at the telecom industry. Five nines of
39 uptime (less than 5 minutes of down time per year on a phone switch is
40 what the industry established, as practical matter of fault tolerance
41 on a HA (high availability) system. It's not mathematically correct,
42 but, it's good for business, and a practical trade off.
43 Technical folks, particularly computer scientists, should
44 fundamentally understand where science ends and where pop-science
45 begins, in my opinion.
46
47
48 James
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