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From: Ed W <lists@...>
Subject: Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:06 +0000
Hi

> They're legal licenses.  As with anything involved with lawyers and the
> legal system you really need to decide for yourself what needs to be
> done (most people to be safe would contact a lawyer.)

Thanks for your feedback - however, again you are mentioning lawyers.  
My understanding is that even in the USA, lawyers aren't the best people 
write build scripts?

The (main) question is a technical one, not a legal one.  I think we are 
all clear that the general provision is to supply all code to downstream 
users.  If you check my original question, I'm looking for technical 
suggestions to wrap portage and ensure that all patches, source files, 
etc are supplied in a neat and useful form (I'm trying to avoid the big 
code dump and keep things as well documented as possible)

That said I'm grateful for the clarifications on interpretations of the 
GPL such as with regards to linking to other sources of code.  Thanks 
(Mike/Peter?)

> If you're at a company releasing a product then the company most likely
> has a legal dept or legal consultant.  They certainly would here in the
> US (I know you said you're not in the US so perhaps that's not the
> case.)

In the UK you would generally be quite a large company to have an 
expensive person such as a lawyer on your book full time (or have some 
special reason to be needing one every day...). Generally we just rent 
them as they are needed.  Same also for accountants, you only need them 
once a year, so rent them rather than owning them full time...


> I'm not a lawyer (by a far shot) but what's the problem with creating a
> script that when run pulls the upstream files from
> /usr/portage/distfiles, the files and ebuilds from /usr/portage for
> whatever packages you have installed on whatever you're releasing?

Please see original question.  Yes, this is basically what I'm trying to do

However, it's not quite as straightforward as you state.  For a build 
process you would need to clear distfiles at some point, then scrape it 
later in order to infer what some package had used.

However, yes, you are on the right lines for the kind of thing I'm 
looking for.  Note that it's the corner cases which are important, hence 
the reason for my question (I really don't want to learn about how many 
lawyers every US company owns...)


> If I were releasing commercial software I'd want all that on a local
> mirror (in source control too) so that I could recreate any released
> versions.

Agreed.  See - my question was sensible!  I'm using git for all that 
right now.

However, I think you are being a bit handwaving about the details.  For 
example, how would you handle this in practice, for example we need to 
clean distfiles before we start building a fresh image otherwise we 
don't know what is new, on the flip side we don't want to download some 
existing file which is unchanged and already in source control?  So a 
kind of two level distfiles would be helpful...

At the moment I'm tackling it a slightly different way by grabbing $A 
and the ./files dir during the build, via a bashrc script (basically as 
suggested by Mike Frysinger).  I think I'm coming to the conclusion that 
this is the most complete solution, but obviously grabs additional 
pieces that might not be used.

However, please, if anyone else has tackled this and has some notes then 
please share?  Some technical challenges have been exposed from some of 
the answers so far.

Cheers

Ed W


References:
Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Ed W
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Peter Stuge
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Ed W
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Peter Stuge
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Ed W
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Peter Stuge
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Ed W
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Peter Stuge
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Ed W
Re: Licence compliance - capturing all source files used to make a build?
-- Todd Goodman
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