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From: Pavel Labushev <p.labushev@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-hardened@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-hardened] Re: Remove the pic use flag in the hardened amd64 profile.
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:22:20
Message-Id: 4D6A79C9.3000401@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-hardened] Re: Remove the pic use flag in the hardened amd64 profile. by "Tóth Attila"
1 27.02.2011 22:32, "Tóth Attila" пишет:
2
3 > More reliable? Interesting. Do you have a link about this?
4 > Apart from older systems 32bit will be with us at least because of the ARM
5 > architecture.
6
7 http://grsecurity.net/pipermail/grsecurity/2010-April/001024.html - from here:
8
9 > this is also where the similarities end :), so let's look at the bad stuff
10 > now. UDEREF/amd64 doesn't ensure that the (legitimate) userland accessor
11 > functions cannot actually access kernel memory when only userland is allowed
12 > (some in-kernel users of certain syscalls can temporarily access kernel memory
13 > as userland, and that is enforced on UDEREF/i386 but not on amd64). so if
14 > there's a bug where userland can trick the kernel into accessing a userland
15 > pointer that actually points to kernel space, it'll succeed, unlike on i386.
16 >
17 > the other bad thing is the presence of the userland shadow area. this has
18 > two consequences: 1. the userland address space size is smaller under UDEREF
19 > (42 vs. 47 bits, with corresponding reduction of ASLR of course), 2. this
20 > shadow area is always mapped so kernel code accidentally accessing its range
21 > may not oops on it and can be exploited (such accesses can usually happen only
22 > if an exploit can make the kernel dereference arbitrary addresses in which
23 > case the presence of this area is the least of your concerns though).
24 >
25 > what about performance? well, 'it depends', in particular it depends on the
26 > amount of user/kernel transitions of your workload as that's where the extra
27 > code really hits (it's basically a TLB flush and two CR0 writes if you have
28 > KERNEXEC as well, say 600 cycles + TLB repopulation time). on a simple
29 > compilation test i get these times:

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