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On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Andrew John Hughes |
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<gnu_andrew@××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> 2008/9/13 Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@×××××.com>: |
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>> AIUI and IMNSHO *NO* local build from source qualifies. gentoo |
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>> *SHOULD* *NOT* expose users to risk by using trademarks etc for *ANY* |
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>> source build even from the sun tree. |
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> Maybe that's being a bit over cautious, |
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i agree that sun is unlikely to sue any users over java ATM but |
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trademarks must be defended or cease to exist. sooner or later sun |
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will have to either lose the java trademark or act against |
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unauthorised users. |
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> but the problem generally is |
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> Sun thought of this with binary distribution in mind, not source. |
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the JCP is set up to manage binaries, not source. IMO this is the |
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fatal flaw in this system. (i'll avoid going OT by repeating the |
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argument again here.) |
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> As with any legal agreement, the best solution is to consult a lawyer. |
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> I'm not one. |
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does gentoo have a agreement with sun? |
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if so, is it available on line? |
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if not, what agreement is being relyed on? |
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>> BTW i'm on AMD64 which has very poor support from the sun java |
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>> codebase. are there any plans to add support for the harmony VM? |
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> What 'poor support'? IcedTea6 works fine for me here on amd64. |
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eclipse and sun don't play well. however, i haven't tried switching to |
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the iced tea build on gentoo so maybe i'll give that a try next time. |
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> Feel free to package Harmony, but I don't see how that will solve your problems, |
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harmony runs eclipse fine. every couple of months when gentoo changes |
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something, i have to devote a couple of hours fixing stuff so that |
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eclipse works or else switch to harmony until everything's fixed. |
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> given it doesn't yet have a complete implementation of even 1.5. |
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if sun had honoured it's agreement to allow access to the TCK by open |
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source projects, then harmony (and the free JVMs) would have had |
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certified 1.5 implementations a year ago and (most likely) 1.6 ones as |
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well by now. this is a political issue, not a code one. |
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- robert |
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