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To: "Petteri Räty" <betelgeuse@g.o>
From: "Andrew John Hughes" <gnu_andrew@...>
Subject: Re: OpenJDK, IcedTea and Package Naming
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:08:12 +0100
2008/9/12 Petteri Räty <betelgeuse@g.o>:
> Andrew John Hughes kirjoitti:
>>
>> For those who hate the aboration of having the version number as part
>> of the package name, note that this is intended to be short-lived.
>> As the discussion above implies, the OpenJDK6 tree is a stop-gap,
>> created to fulfill the need for a complete implementation now.
>> When 1.7 is released, IcedTea will become the primary JDK again and
>> IcedTea6 will cease development.  At present, most of the
>> maintenance work for OpenJDK6/IcedTea6 is being done by the IcedTea
>> hackers; Sun only have Joe Darcy working on this. Their
>> concentration is on 1.7.  Thus, we should really note our appreciation
>> of this work by naming the IcedTea project rather than
>> hiding it under the name OpenJDK.
>>
>
> A good post and hopefully useful to readers out there but my main concern
> really wasn't the issue of openjdk vs. icedtea but your choice of naming it
> icedtea6 and icedtea (Debian like) instead of doing it the Gentoo way with
> slots.
>

I didn't include this issue because I believed we'd already discussed it ages
ago and I'm surprised to see it come up again.  There is nothing Debian-like
about the naming - in fact, Debian has only packaged IcedTea6 recently,
and does so as OpenJDK - I mentioned this in my original e-mail.  It is
Sun who refer to it as OpenJDK6 or even open6, in the same manner as JDK7, etc.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that this isn't a name change simply based
on versions
but these are completely different projects.  There have different source trees
and can be in completely different states, depending on what has been
merged between
the two.  More practically, there would be version number clashes with
keeping them
both in a 'icedtea' directory, IcedTea 1.7 appearing to be later than
IcedTea6 1.2 for one.

>> With Gentoo, the presence of USE flags and local
>> settings
>> mean that we don't know what will result from the ebuild in binary
>> form. Some builds will be roughly equivalent to the builds in Fedora,
>> Debian
>> and Ubuntu, but some may not.  There is functionality in IcedTea, such
>> as the ability to use CACAO instead of HotSpot, that would mean
>> the resulting binary does not qualify to be called OpenJDK (such
>> packages are called cacao-oj6 in Debian and Ubuntu for example).
>
> I think we can solve this by having a virtual openjdk ebuild using use deps
> that will force a certain set of features on the icedtea ebuild.
>

I don't have a problem with that.  Better still, make this a binary and consider
applying for TCK access to certify it.  This will definitely be needed on lower
spec. machines that will struggle to build IcedTea.  Think in terms of
OpenOffice.org... ;)

> Regards,
> Petteri
>
>
>



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