2008/9/14 Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@...>:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Andrew John Hughes
> <gnu_andrew@...> wrote:
>> 2008/9/14 Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@...>:
>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Andrew John Hughes
>>> <gnu_andrew@...> wrote:
>>>> 2008/9/14 Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@...>:
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Andrew John Hughes
>>>>> <gnu_andrew@...> wrote:
>>>>>> 2008/9/13 Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@...>:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>>> given it doesn't yet have a complete implementation of even 1.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> if sun had honoured it's agreement to allow access to the TCK by open
>>>>> source projects,  then harmony (and the free JVMs) would have had
>>>>> certified 1.5 implementations a year ago and (most likely) 1.6 ones as
>>>>> well by now. this is a political issue, not a code one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seriously doubt that, given it took OpenJDK a year to pass the 1.6
>>>> TCK, despite
>>>> being based on a codebase, the majority of which has passed as part of
>>>> the proprietary work.
>>>
>>> you'd be surprised :-)
>>>
>>> at least one major corporation has taken a derived work based on
>>> harmony codebase through the TCK
>>>
>>
>> Is this the TreeMap? If so, it's one class which they modified heavily
>> themselves
>> so that it worked as part of 1.6.
>
> no: one of the major alternative TCK'd JVMs is derived from harmony code
>

Well I take it this isn't a Free JVM, as IcedTea6 is the only one I
know of that has
passed a JCK.  As you say JVM and not JDK, I take it we are talking about the
same TCK i.e. the JCK?

There was a JDK that had passed the JCK from which IcedTea6 was very
'substantially derived'.  It didn't mean there was no work to be done.

>>> and ask yourself if google would have based andriod on harmony unless
>>> it worked...
>>>
>>
>> I didn't say it didn't work, I said it wasnt' likely to pass the TCK
>> without a lot of work.
>> You could of course link the Harmony class library up to HotSpot,
>> apply for the OpenJDK6 TCK
>> to certify that combination and prove me wrong.
>
> would that i could :-)
>

You can; check the OpenJDK TCK FAQ.  Using HotSpot as the VM
would count as substantially derived from OpenJDK.

> sun has been saying 'not yet' to harmony certification for a number of
> years. (just FTR it's not just harmony but any alternative FOSS JVM.)
>

I know; GNU Classpath went through all this before Harmony even existed.

> - robert
>
>



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