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2008/9/15 Alon Bar-Lev <alon.barlev@×××××.com>: |
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> On 9/14/08, Andrew John Hughes <gnu_andrew@××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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>> On 15:38 Sun 14 Sep , Alon Bar-Lev wrote: |
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>> > Hello, |
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>> > I just curious... How do you see the boostrap process for normal users? |
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>> > You need jdk to setup icedtea... So we have somekind of loop... |
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>> Yes, such a bootstrap issue is hardly limited to IcedTea. |
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>> The same occurs with gcc for example, and other Free Java VMs. |
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> This is OK to have these issues, I just want user to be able to setup |
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> their configuration correctly and easily. |
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>> > Users who do not want non open source package to run on their computers should: |
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>> > 1. Install gcj |
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>> > 2. Install icedtea |
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>> > 3. Reinstall icedtea so it compiles with icedtea and drop gcj dependency??? |
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>> > 4. Uninstall gcj |
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>> You don't need stage 3 (there is no 'gcj dependency'), and stage 4 is completely optional. |
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>> Other Free VMs can be used, but they also have bootstrap issues. |
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> Great! |
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>> In the long run, we probably need a binary option for lower spec. machines, |
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>> as I've already said. |
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> I don't like binaries... we really need to find a way to build from source. |
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There is a way to build from source... but it's always going to be one |
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that's a little |
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complicated and have high requirements (~6gb disk space, a long build time). It |
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may not be possible to build it on some machines. |
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>> > Portage do not support these sequences... |
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>> Well this is probably a flaw in portage then, but the solution is only |
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>> a two-step emerge process: |
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>> emerge gcj-jdk |
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>> emerge icedtea6 |
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>> I don't think that's inherently difficult. |
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> You forgot: |
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> java-config -S icedtea6 |
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> emerge --unmerge gcj-jdk |
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I didn't forgot the second of these because it's not something I'd do or |
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recommend. It's a waste of time rebuilding gcc again. IcedTea doesn't |
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provide the AOT compilation that gcj does, which is used by other ebuilds. |
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> It is not difficult for me or you. It is difficult for regular user |
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> who want open source jdk and doing emerge openoffice for example. The |
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> first jdk will be pulled... If the first jdk is gcj then this will be |
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> installed and used by openoffice. If you want to use icedtea then you |
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> need to complete some more stages. Most users will need some help. |
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well, the obvious solution is to depend on gcj-jdk directly, but even |
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more people |
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whined about this when we used to do it. |
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>> > So we have several options: |
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>> > 1. Have users do this manually. |
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>> > 2. Create a script similar to crossdev that perform the sequence. |
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>> > 3. Add a private gcj build into the compile stage of icedtea, and drop |
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>> > the jdk dependency. |
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>> I don't see any problem with 1. Why is gcj not enabled in the bootstrap |
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>> gcc on the install CDs? |
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> Because it takes space and not needed for many configurations. |
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> I think a simple script in the spirit of crossdev will enable users to |
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> correctly and quickly set up their jdk. |
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Well, feel free to contribute and maintain one then. |
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> Alon. |
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