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On Feb 4, 2008 10:34 AM, Christian Faulhammer <opfer@g.o> wrote: |
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> "Jan Bilek" <clonolu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@××××××××××××.org>: |
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> > - I remember the last big crisis 'Robbins vs. McCreesh', valuable |
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> > developers leaving Gentoo as a result... and in my opinion |
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> > Council/devrel were not able to handle it, the only outcome I noticed |
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> > was toothless CoC - that didn't seem like viable management to me. |
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> That's the outcome of being structured in loose projects...it has |
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> advantages and disadvantages. |
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I am not sure I am quite following you. Why do you think it is because |
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of "being structured in loose projects"? |
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I might be missing something but I got the feeling that some very |
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experienced developers left because they could not stand McCreesh's |
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personal attacks, they felt that they deserved more protection from |
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devrel and they didn't get any so they probably felt somehow betrayed, |
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and they had no other way how to solve the conflict. |
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I don't know if it's possible in Gentoo but generally I think when |
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there is a conflict it's good to give angry people an opportunity to |
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compete inside the project. You know what I mean? I am angry at you |
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and I can't stand you but I am not going to leave the project because |
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I have some way how to do the same thing you do but much better... so |
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I can give it to you bastard, I keep contributing to the project and |
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everyone is happy;-) Do you think Gentoo's organization is tailored to |
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support this kind of 'a solution'? I am not competent to asses this. |
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If I remember correctly I even saw proposals like "both sides of a |
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conflict should get banned for 24 hours/week to calm down" - this |
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would be so unfair! You get attacked and instead of getting helped you |
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get banned so you can't even defend yourself? I am sorry I have to say |
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this but as I remember the situation devrel showed total lack of |
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ability to handle conflicts. Hopefully it has changed since that time |
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- the 'McCreesh case' and devrel's reaction made me so disappointed |
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that I stopped reading MLs for a while. |
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> Problem is that people come to me and tell "Shit is not working, you |
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> broke it you bastard. Fix it." Does not make me move faster. I don't |
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> break something on purpose and try to fix it as fast as I can, swearing |
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> does not help. |
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I think that sometimes we users don't realize how hard your work is |
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and how devoted you have to be. That's why I so admire developers. |
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Jan. |
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