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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: |
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> Gentoo is a volunteer project, your value/honor/weight is given by your |
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> contribution to the project, that doesn't mean that non-developers have |
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> no chance to give an input, that just means that they have to convince |
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> others that their idea has a value. Everybody is free to participate by |
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> proposing on the gentoo-dev mailing list, |
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That's a development centric list. I think maybe you mean -project |
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rather than -dev? |
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No one said A was of technical nature. In my previous example. |
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Where would suggestion on events go? Or ways to improve organization |
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that is non-technical. Where should one discuss our mission of promoting |
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education? Where does one discuss our election process? Where would one |
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discuss Gentoo in the media. Or voice a general opinion on something |
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relating to Gentoo? |
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> contacting developers working |
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> on the area they are interested in, helping project and subprojects |
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> within Gentoo evolving. |
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Ok, so what about all the projects falling by the way side? When there |
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was no GWN now GMN. Who did something about that? Was the council |
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looking to keep that project going? Or what about Events? |
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We are supposed to be electing a new council per GLEP 39. Who is doing |
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that or to oversee it? |
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> We got already sponsors, how that would change the relations we have |
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> with them? |
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And what is our arrangement with them. |
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> Again being a volunteer project the main contribution should |
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> be made in time and people. A business should hire developers or provide |
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> people willing to develop for Gentoo. Money by itself is less |
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> interesting and useful. |
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Really? So there is no interested in say funding a Gentoo Conference. Or |
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Gentoo doing it's own summer of code. Or other creative things. |
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Ok, creativity aside. We lose a sponsor, which almost happened with a |
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major one. We need a few $k in services for Gentoo every month. We need |
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that now and today, not tomorrow when we can find a sponsor or sponsors |
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to provide the services to Gentoo for free. |
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What happens if infra decided we need to buy our SSL certs rather than |
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free from CACert? What happens if hardware we own dies and we have to |
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buy a replacement? What happens if the council wants to do new things, |
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request is made to infra, but funds are there to make such request |
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happen? |
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> Business last time I checked is done by individuals. |
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Businesses using Gentoo make $ off that. That's not necessarily the case |
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for individuals. If a business is using Gentoo as a product they are |
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selling. What benefit does Gentoo get from that? |
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> > Now we are talking about a very small amount of influence if any at all. |
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> Considering what you suggested in another thread and on irc, it looks |
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> quite a large amount once the foundation got some of the power the |
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> council is supposed to have. |
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What's wrong with delegation? If the council doesn't mind getting help. |
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Why should others. But really the beauty of the existing structure. Per |
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like GLEP 39. Is all the power is in the councils hands. If they |
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councils wants they can poll developers. But if an elected council cuts |
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a deal to delegate responsibility to the trustees, and later foudation |
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officers. That's fully within their elected global power and duties. |
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> > Being as how the foundation does not steer or control the project. The |
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> > council does. |
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> But strangely you are the same person asking for more power to the trustee. |
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I am not alone. This was expressed in others manifestos per election I |
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believe. Have to double check. But if your following all I am saying. I |
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am very concerned with Trustees power as well. Like us being able to pay |
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ourselfs as we see fit. At least that's what current and draft by laws |
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state and allow for. Or that trustees can act on their own, but be |
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indemnified. I don't like that at all. |
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People are to focus on power, and not organization. The trustees are |
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seeking more and better organization for a foundation that has never |
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been operated, or run as intended. Or with any success. We are not |
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seeking more power or etc. Just organization, and delegation where it |
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fits. |
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> Looks like the keyword here is "volunteering". |
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And what is the RedCross? Do people volunteer for that? |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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amd64/Java/Trustees |
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Gentoo Foundation |