Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: [RFC] Bylaws change: Lower the member quorum to 1/10

[Michał Górny]

W dniu nie, 03.06.2018 o godzinie 23∶56 +0100, użytkownik Roy Bamford
napisał:
> On 2018.06.02 18:11, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > > On 2018.06.02 15:40, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > My remaining point is purely about lowering the quorum from 1/3 to
> > > > 1/10. The rationale is simply that *none* of the AGMs ever had a
> > > > quorum.
> > > Would this proposed change actually fix that?
> > > I've not checked meeting logs. Members should be voiced.
> >
> > I went back as far as 2010. The only meeting where a precise quorum
> > of members was actually determined was in 2016, where 19 out of 95
> > entitled to vote were present. So yes, at least for that meeting it
> > would have fixed it.
> >
> > Ulrich
> >
>
> Ulrich,
>
> How do you know they were present?
> Idling in an IRC channel is not the same as being in a room where a
> meeting is being conducted. e.g. I'm in #gentoo-trustees 24/7 but I'm not
> present 24/7.
>
> I would object strongly to a nick count being used to determine a quorum.
> Members would need to respond to a ping in the channel.
>
> Not having a quorum prevents a vote of members taking place. However,
> there has never been a need for a vote of members at any meeting of
> members.
>
> Due to the difficulties of counting both votes and members present, I
> don't think an IRC 'show of hands' can ever be relied on.
>
> I'm not against the proposed change, I just think its changing from
> one value that is not useful, to a different value that is also not
> useful.
>

This is chicken-and-egg problem.  How do you know there was never a need
of vote?  Maybe members simply never brought it up because it was so
obvious that there was never a quorum, and therefore any vote would make
no sense.

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Best regards,
Michał Górny