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On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 03:00 +0000, Steve Long wrote: |
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> > On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 00:49 +0000, Steve Long wrote: |
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> >> I'd also like to nominate patrick who runs gentooexperimental.org, |
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> >> hosting amongst other things pkgcore (which cross-pollinates with |
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> >> portage) and notTheGWN: |
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> >> http://gentooexperimental.org/not-the-gwn/not-the-gwn-current.html |
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> > Yes, we definitely need people that were "retired" from the project to |
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> > run our legal entity. *roll eyes* |
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> Hmm ok, only he was in the eligible list and has contributed an awful lot to |
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> Gentoo, but not really as a technical developer over the last year or two. |
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> More as a business analyst imo, although he's stepped up to provide infra for |
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> some of the more innovative work that goes on. |
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He *is* eligible, but he was removed from the project. This really |
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needs to be taken into consideration. |
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> > Has anybody even taken the time to stop and think about someone's actual |
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> > *legal* capabilities before nominating them? |
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> I have actually, as I would hope my other nominations would show. Have you |
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> ever stopped to consider that maybe you're not the best judge of qualities |
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> you haven't exactly displayed? Or have I missed something and you have a pool |
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> of qualified lawyers lined up wanting to take on this *legal* job? |
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How so? Do you have a clue what I have or have not done? Of course |
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not. Instead, you just feel the need to run your mouth like usual. |
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Please, continue with the ad hominum attacks. It really helps your |
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position. |
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> > Seriously, technical achievement means *nothing* here. This is purely a |
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> > staff/financial/legal position we're nominating for... |
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> Yeah that takes more than just *legal* capability. It also takes managerial |
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> ability, as well as business expertise, both of which Patrick possesses. OFC |
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> these are not skills especially prevalent in the /technical/ developer pool |
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> as the record of your time as Trustee shows. It's the same type of skills |
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> that drobbins would bring, were he eligible to stand. |
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No, it really doesn't take any managerial capability. The trustees are |
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*not* managers. They do not tell anyone what to do, nor do they lead |
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the project in any way. The trustees are paper pushers. I'm sorry if |
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you don't realize that, but there's only so many times that it can be |
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said before it becomes obvious that you're either ignoring it, or too |
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dense to comprehend it. I'll let you decide which. |
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> I believe him to be the kind of person you want helping you manage the |
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> organisational side of things, which requires people who can empathise and |
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> motivate, not snipe and whinge at every opportunity. OFC, neither you nor |
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> anyone else has to vote for Patrick (assuming he'd even want to stand after |
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> being subject to the first personal attack in this process.) |
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Yes, because his organizational skills at organizing FOSDEM for Gentoo |
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was excellent. In fact, his skills were so good that several developers |
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got left in the cold for over an hour, waiting for transportation that |
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Patrick had promised and which never arrived. How about the demo |
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machines that Patrick lined up for the show? Oh, that's right, SeJo, |
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pvdabeel, and myself had to do that the day of the show because Patrick |
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didn't do anything. |
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Now, you can call it a personal attack if you wish. I hope that you |
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realize that I don't care what your opinion is on pretty much anything. |
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While I've been working to improve Gentoo, you sit on the sidelines and |
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tell everybody how poorly they're doing. Well, step up or shut up. |
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Personal attacks are when one says something that is an attack on a |
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person or their character. Stating pertinent *facts* about a nominee |
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seems to me to be something that would be *wanted* but I see that we're |
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going to have some armchair developers out there screaming that it's a |
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personal attack just because it puts the person in a bad light. |
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Sure, Patrick has contributed quite a bit via his gentooexperimental |
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project, but that doesn't change the *facts* of his time as a Gentoo |
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developer. |
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