Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.

Why does one person have to be the Dictator. We need a single governing body, but `body` doesn't have to mean one person 

Have the council do what they do, manage the devs, but have the council report the foudnation. Foundation members should be assigned areas and required to attend everything with area, basically a part of that board. So the council actually has one or two members in the foundation, the userrel actually has one or two members in the foundation. They report to the overall group what is going on in gentoo. 

If Daniel wants the join the foundation / trustee's, then great, let him do it from there with a team of people. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Senno During" <senno.during@×××××.com> 
To: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:44:33 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago 
Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc. 

this is my feeling too. So far drobbins has given an option. i have 
heard good things about it, and bad things about it. Though, no 
alternative is known to me. i hope to hear about one soon! 

i also believe there will always be devs/users (are pretty important 
too i think!) that are not going to be happy with the choice that is 
going to be made. 

i do feel that Gentoo, currently, needs a sort of dictator, like Linux 
with Torvalds. Of course, you always hope for the right choice and right 
ideas from the leader then. But no decisions being made by a group, just to 
prevent a dictator style, doesn't sound right to me either. 

Senno During 

On Jan 16, 2008 11:09 PM, Sergey Kuleshov <svyatogor@×××××.com> wrote: 
> I'd second almost everything Caleb said. I do feel, that Daniel should
> come back. And if he does I'll try to come back to the developers
> (which I left some time ago). not that I think this will make any
> difference, but just wanted to express my opinion as well.
>
> and when I hear peoples' concerns about handing him control of Gentoo,
> I have only one question in return - any better options? cause what we
> have now proved to be quite a failure.
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 10:07 PM, <gibbonsr-ml@××××××××××××××××××.com> wrote:
> > That WooHoo feeling seems to be held by most, Honestly at first i was there
> > also.
> >
> > But now that I've calmed down, and started reading through everything I do
> > not share the feeling. Do I think Daniel can help? Yes. Should we accept
> > his current offer by Friday? No. Why? Many reasons, some having to do with
> > the fact we just don't know enough. Another one is he is wanted
> > unquestionable control ... which is dangerous to give to anybody, no matter
> > how great the man once was. Would we give JFK or Lincoln complete control
> > of the US, no checks, no balances .. no. (sorry to the non-us citizens for
> > that example, best I could come up with in such sort notice).
> >
> > I know Daniel can help, but I also believe anybody who is committed enough
> > can help. Somebody needs to take this personal, and take it as a part-time
> > job and execute on actions, and be held accountable for what they did or
> > didn't do.
> >
> > The past is the past, both good and bad. I think if Daniel would sit down
> > with the Foundation, trustee, council and even allow others to join and
> > listen (not speak, but listen) and then hash out a set of guidelines .. then
> > great. But we shouldn't accept him blindly and unconditionally at this
> > point in time. If Daniel doesn't want to sit down and talk this out, then
> > he doesn't need to be back.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Alberts" <john.m.alberts@×××××.com>
> > To: "Caleb Cushing" <xenoterracide@×××××.com>
> > Cc: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:54:00 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.
> >
> > It might be prudent to back up your claims, conclusions, and suggestion with
> > some type of fact. I'm not saying I disagree or agree with you, but
> > basically, all you said was "WooHoo! Bring back Robbins!"
> >
> > John Alberts
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2008 3:43 PM, Caleb Cushing <xenoterracide@×××××.com> wrote:
> > > just joining the conversation. I vote to bring drobbins back. Even though
> > i as
> > > a user/admin and potential future developer, have no vote.
> > >
> > > I would also like to note that under the current leadership, of which I
> > have
> > > no confidence, I have no desire to be a gentoo developer. were this
> > > leadership to change and with some more improvement of my own skills I
> > would
> > > consider it. I of course do not believe this decision is based on me, and
> > am
> > > not attempting to inflate my own worth. but am merely pointing out that I
> > may
> > > not be the only person who feels this way.
> > > --
> > > Caleb Cushing
> > >
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> > >
> > > Due to low Internet availability I may not check
> > > my email more than once a week, and thus cannot
> > > guarantee a response time.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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