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James Laslavic wrote: |
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> First off, I said that things are not getting done in Gentoo. This is |
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> fundamentally true. Are there projects related to or within Gentoo that |
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> are getting some things done? Yes, sure. But look at the writing on the |
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> wall! Gentoo does not currently have a reputation for getting things |
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> done exactly, and it's not like this reputation we have right now came |
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> out of nowhere. 2007 was arguably the most negative year in the history |
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> of the project, featuring everything from a lack of a second release |
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> (yes, I'm aware of the security advisories that slowed it down, but |
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> other distributions seemed to be able to deal with their security |
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> issues) to the rather embarrassing collapse of the weekly newsletter to |
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> the eventual revoking of the charter the vanishing foundation members. |
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> You can't argue with results, and right now, we don't have postive |
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> results exactly. |
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Three noncore items. |
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> Next, I said that Gentoo is losing developers. Again, notice the amazing |
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> vanishing acts currently being performed at all levels of Gentoo. |
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False, gentoo is getting that many requests for dev status that we |
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cannot handle all of them... |
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> My third point was that potential developers are choosing not to join. |
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see above |
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> Now, I'm a graphic designer and a writer myself, and even though I love |
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> Gentoo, I didn't volunteer to help because I knew that 99% of my time |
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> would be spent dealing with what has become a famously stagnant and |
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> unfriendly bureaucracy. |
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Hm? |
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> I've seen several other people who have decided |
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> not to officially join Gentoo at this time for the same reason. Consider |
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> how many capable people are in the #gentoo irc room alone who choose to |
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> remain officially unaffiliated if you don't believe my observations. |
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> It's just a sad fact. And another fact, for better or worse, is that the |
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> possibility of Daniel Robbins returning has given all of us who feel |
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> this way hope for change, which is making a lot of us think about it again. |
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Sigh, pure emotive reaction... |
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> My fourth point was about how the current Gentoo foundation has had a |
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> long time to acknowledge and fix this stuff. They have. The negative |
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> reputations in those areas are not at all new. Now, the code of conduct |
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> thing sort of helped with the whole "potential developers aren't |
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> joining" thing by injecting some friendliness back into the way things |
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> get done, but that's basically it, and it certainly didn't turn the tide |
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> as we can all see. |
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Consider that much of the unfriendlyness is due ex-dev people in a |
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mailing list. And that the whole thing is almost past us. |
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> The fifth thing I brought up on my little list was that Daniel Robbins |
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> coming back is not random, and it is not a power play. |
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I'm not in his mind and you aren't too. |
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> The last thing I want to say is that I did have a lot of trust in the |
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> Gentoo world, but again, just take a look at this past year. So many |
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> people that are currently still officially affiliated with Gentoo are |
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> basically saying that all the issues I've brought up are false, and that |
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> the negative reputations regarding those issues don't exist. |
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See what I'm saying. Believe me or not is just up to you. |
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> I've seen |
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> otherwise, and I think everybody else has too. We can blame DistroWatch |
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> for the negative attention all we want, but just dismissing everything |
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> and saying that it all came out of nowhere is not encouraging. Right |
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> now, due to the lack of any real plan except the offer by Daniel to |
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> return means that there is really no other plan to trust in except for |
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> supporting how things are currently supposed to get done, which a lot of |
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> people just don't believe in. |
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Daniel's plan isn't quite detailed at best. |
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> If you want to show the community |
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> something or issue some statements and roadmaps and that kind of stuff, |
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> then by all means, please do! |
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Check the development mailing list I requested every subproject a status |
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and a roadmap quite a bit BEFORE the whole daniel blogpost and the other |
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minor stuff enlarged by media. |
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> But until then, a lot of us feel like |
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> there is no other plan to trust in anyway. Personally, I think Daniel's |
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> offer would be appealing even if some other plan was published, but I'd |
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> still definitely be up for hearing other plans for how Gentoo might |
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> change for the better. |
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We plan to do a lot of stuff =) Be assured ^^ |
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Luca Barbato |
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Gentoo Council Member |
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Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC |
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http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero |
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