William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> No it's not because the foundation encompasses the community.
> Representing the community was the foundations intention, but over time.
> As the foundation was neglected, it seems that was never realized.
I was around when the foundation got there and even before...
>>> Some of our longest contributing members to Gentoo Java, aren't devs,
>>> nor will they ever be. They don't want to be. Some even have their own
>>> overlays. So guess they should not have any say or input.
>> You just told me that their input has been treasured by the java team,
> Does it mean it was passed on to the council?
Was it needed? Anything prevented anybody to pass it on?
> Does it mean that if they want me to do something I do?
No and that is wonderful. You are free to waste your time in any way you
like, as long you don't damage the others. The subtle beauty of freedom.
> Does it mean I represent them and their will?
In which aspect? Their will about gentoo and java? If you value and
treasure their input as you told me, I think they could consider that
you are pretty much doing that.
>> the fact they do not want to become developers while they are
>> maintaining an overlay is something that should be addressed, but is
>> completely off topic.
> They don't want to deal with the BS of being a dev. Frankly I can't
> blame them in the least.
Not that you aren't threating of adding a large deal of bureaucracy
right now, is it? (c.f the twin email in which you take the letter of a
glep as a weapon against me apparently)
>>> There should not be this elitism with a divide between developers,
>>> users, contributors, sponsors, etc. We are all together the Gentoo
>>> community. Which the foundation as I understand it, was intended from
>>> it's inception to represent.
>> NO, the foundation is an US activity born to have people sponsoring us
>> get tax cuts. At least that was the main idea.
> Who's idea?
People who tried to move from inc. to a nfp org.
> Who created the foundation? Who handed things over to the
> foundation? What was their intentions? That was surely not their plan.
> If it was their plan, they would have filed 501c3, not 501c6. Which has
> no provisions for write off.
I think everybody could dig the discussion about why 501c6 and not
501c3, I couldn't care less since I'm European and by that time I wasn't
that interested on the issue.
> Never has anyone ever legally been able to donate to and write off as a
> charitable donation. Any amount to the Gentoo Foundation, ever. It's not
> that type of legal entity.
I know, it was supposed to be something else from start.
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