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William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: |
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>> Gentoo is a volunteer project, your value/honor/weight is given by your |
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>> contribution to the project, that doesn't mean that non-developers have |
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>> no chance to give an input, that just means that they have to convince |
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>> others that their idea has a value. Everybody is free to participate by |
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>> proposing on the gentoo-dev mailing list, |
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> That's a development centric list. I think maybe you mean -project |
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> rather than -dev? |
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> No one said A was of technical nature. In my previous example. |
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> Where would suggestion on events go? |
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To the appropriate subproject. |
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> Or ways to improve organization that is non-technical. |
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-project ml |
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> Where should one discuss our mission of promoting education? |
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-project, -sci project |
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> Where does one discuss our election process? |
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-project |
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> Where would one discuss Gentoo in the media. |
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-pr |
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> Or voice a general opinion on something relating to Gentoo? |
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Forums |
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> Ok, so what about all the projects falling by the way side? When there |
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> was no GWN now GMN. Who did something about that? Was the council |
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> looking to keep that project going? Or what about Events? |
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Nothing related to this discussion. The council, at least me and donnie, |
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use to poll people to know what's going on, maybe not that often as I |
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wish but I'm trying. |
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> We are supposed to be electing a new council per GLEP 39. Who is doing |
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> that or to oversee it? |
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Elections seems to have rules, like the ones used to elect the current |
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council and the former one ^^ |
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> And what is our arrangement with them. |
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They offer us whatever they want and we kindly accept. |
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>> Again being a volunteer project the main contribution should |
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>> be made in time and people. A business should hire developers or provide |
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>> people willing to develop for Gentoo. Money by itself is less |
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>> interesting and useful. |
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> Really? So there is no interested in say funding a Gentoo Conference. Or |
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> Gentoo doing it's own summer of code. Or other creative things. |
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Nothing of them is dollar, euro or yen. |
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If somebody wants to sponsor such events good. Nothing core. |
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> Ok, creativity aside. We lose a sponsor, which almost happened with a |
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> major one. We need a few $k in services for Gentoo every month. We need |
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> that now and today, not tomorrow when we can find a sponsor or sponsors |
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> to provide the services to Gentoo for free. |
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We got one as the needed, luckily our core features are _that_ interesting. |
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> What happens if infra decided we need to buy our SSL certs rather than |
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> free from CACert? What happens if hardware we own dies and we have to |
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> buy a replacement? What happens if the council wants to do new things, |
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> request is made to infra, but funds are there to make such request |
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> happen? |
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The usual, somebody steps up for providing those if interested. |
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>> Business last time I checked is done by individuals. |
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> Businesses using Gentoo make $ off that. That's not necessarily the case |
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> for individuals. If a business is using Gentoo as a product they are |
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> selling. What benefit does Gentoo get from that? |
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Usually sponsorship or just the improvements they are bound to give back |
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due gpl. We are not doing this for money, you know? |
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> What's wrong with delegation? If the council doesn't mind getting help. |
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I do mind since this thread. |
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> Why should others. But really the beauty of the existing structure. Per |
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> like GLEP 39. Is all the power is in the councils hands. If they |
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> councils wants they can poll developers. But if an elected council cuts |
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> a deal to delegate responsibility to the trustees, and later foudation |
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> officers. That's fully within their elected global power and duties. |
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Sure, nothing the current council will due since the shortage of time to |
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even evaluate |
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>>> Being as how the foundation does not steer or control the project. The |
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>>> council does. |
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>> But strangely you are the same person asking for more power to the trustee. |
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> I am not alone. This was expressed in others manifestos per election I |
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> believe. Have to double check. |
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Please do. |
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> People are to focus on power, and not organization. The trustees are |
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> seeking more and better organization for a foundation that has never |
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> been operated, or run as intended. Or with any success. We are not |
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> seeking more power or etc. Just organization, and delegation where it |
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> fits. |
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I don't see that in this discussion. |
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>> Looks like the keyword here is "volunteering". |
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> And what is the RedCross? Do people volunteer for that? |
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I have a deep knowledge of RedCross in Italy and I'll anything in my |
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power to avoid Gentoo getting that way: lots of politics, wasteful usage |
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of founds, abuse of voluteers and their time. |
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Luca Barbato |
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Gentoo Council Member |
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Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC |
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http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero |
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