Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.

[Sergey Kuleshov]

I'd second almost everything Caleb said. I do feel, that Daniel should
come back. And if he does I'll try to come back to the developers
(which I left some time ago). not that I think this will make any
difference, but just wanted to express my opinion as well.

and when I hear peoples' concerns about handing him control of Gentoo,
I have only one question in return - any better options? cause what we
have now proved to be quite a failure.

On Jan 16, 2008 10:07 PM,  <gibbonsr-ml@××××××××××××××××××.com> wrote:
> That WooHoo feeling seems to be held by most, Honestly at first i was there
> also.
>
> But now that I've calmed down, and started reading through everything I do
> not share the feeling.  Do I think Daniel can help? Yes.  Should we accept
> his current offer by Friday? No.  Why?  Many reasons, some having to do with
> the fact we just don't know enough.  Another one is he is wanted
> unquestionable control ... which is dangerous to give to anybody, no matter
> how great the man once was.  Would we give JFK or Lincoln complete control
> of the US, no checks, no balances .. no. (sorry to the non-us citizens for
> that example, best I could come up with in such sort notice).
>
> I know Daniel can help, but I also believe anybody who is committed enough
> can help.  Somebody needs to take this personal, and take it as a part-time
> job and execute on actions, and be held accountable for what they did or
> didn't do.
>
> The past is the past, both good and bad.  I think if Daniel would sit down
> with the Foundation, trustee, council and even allow others to join and
> listen (not speak, but listen) and then hash out a set of guidelines .. then
> great.  But we shouldn't accept him blindly and unconditionally at this
> point in time.  If Daniel doesn't want to sit down and talk this out, then
> he doesn't need to be back.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Alberts" <john.m.alberts@×××××.com>
> To: "Caleb Cushing" <xenoterracide@×××××.com>
> Cc: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:54:00 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.
>
> It might be prudent to back up your claims, conclusions, and suggestion with
> some type of fact.  I'm not saying I disagree or agree with you, but
> basically, all you said was "WooHoo! Bring back Robbins!"
>
>  John Alberts
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 3:43 PM, Caleb Cushing <xenoterracide@×××××.com> wrote:
> > just joining the conversation. I vote to bring drobbins back. Even though
> i as
> > a user/admin and potential future developer, have no vote.
> >
> > I would also like to note that under the current leadership, of which I
> have
> > no confidence, I have no desire to be a gentoo developer. were this
> > leadership to change and with some more improvement of my own skills I
> would
> > consider it. I of course do not believe this decision is based on me, and
> am
> > not attempting to inflate my own worth. but am merely pointing out that I
> may
> > not be the only person who feels this way.
> > --
> > Caleb Cushing
> >
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> >
> > Due to low Internet availability I may not check
> > my email more than once a week, and thus cannot
> > guarantee a response time.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Gibbons
> 817.657.1780
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>



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