On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Mark Loeser <halcy0n@g.o> wrote:
> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wltjr@g.o> said:
>> On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 01:47 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
>> > > What happens if infra decided we need to buy our SSL certs rather than
>> > > free from CACert? What happens if hardware we own dies and we have to
>> > > buy a replacement? What happens if the council wants to do new things,
>> > > request is made to infra, but funds are there to make such request
>> > > happen?
>> >
>> > The usual, somebody steps up for providing those if interested.
>>
>> Ok so if infra was polled right now. Would they say they have all they
>> need. Or let's go one further all they would like.
>>
>> FYI, I am about to start removing FreeBSD keywords. Since there is no
>> one doing keywording there anymore. I am held up on some things I need
>> to do on the Java front for months now. Do we have any infra maintained
>> FreeBSD boxes available for our developers. Like we do for other archs?
>
> How is this related at all to the current discussion?  Perhaps you
> should contact the developers that are trying to get Gentoo/FreeBSD
> going.
>
>> > Usually sponsorship or just the improvements they are bound to give back
>> > due gpl. We are not doing this for money, you know?
>>
>> Yes, but we require $ to do what we do now. Gentoo doesn't happen for
>> free either. Again with all this time people are giving. If we had no
>> where to commit our code then? Or means to email each other like now.
>
> So are we going to start paying developers too?  Having money for Gentoo
> should be to just help out where we can't get sponsors to do so.  There
> is no way Gentoo will ever be able to pay all of its expenses.  I'm not
> sure if that's what you are going for, but if so, I can't see how it
> will ever happen.

No way?  How negative :P.  I think this is a noble goal (even if only
to pay a fraction).

I would, however, choose not to throw away certain principles of how I
think Gentoo should be ran to
achieve this end and I sometimes feel that William's ideas would do so
(e.g. selling advertising space).

>
>> I think we already have clear abuses of volunteers and their time. Not
>> sure why you think we are much different or better than them.
>
> How are we abusing our volunteers and their time?
>
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