On Apr 13, 2004, at 12:03 am, Stuart Herbert wrote:

> Okay ... am I the only developer who is getting tired with the excuses 
> we've
> been reading tonight in the meeting about why we *still* don't have a 
> Gentoo
> NFP?

I don't know about devs, but here's one user who thinks NFP status is 
overdue. Since I wasn't present at the meeting, I'm not aware of what 
was discussed. Is there a log available..?

> Oh yeah - and I suppose I should feel offended with Daniel saying that 
> we
> shouldn't be adding value.

I take it that "adding value" in this context means "adding value to 
applications above that already provided by the upstream developers", 
and not "adding perceived value to product so  as to increase our 
margins"..?

I don't really have much to say about that, except to point out that a 
distro is all about "adding value" by the former definition - it 
packages together a bootloader, Linux kernel, core utilities with any 
other apps, and makes them all work together.

> Whether Daniel's idea of a co-op or two to raise funds will help speed 
> up my
> webapps work or not I just don't know ...

This is the first I've heard about Gentoo as co-operative - can anyone 
clarify. What benefits does that give that cannot be achieved by Gentoo 
(as a non-profit organisation) simply paying its devs.

> Daniel, please - we've been going at this for as long as I've been a 
> dev.
> Please get the original, long-promised Not-For-Profit established 
> before you
> do *anything* else.  If you need money to pay the costs, we'll get you 
> the
> money.  But please - get it done.

I find the delays over this somewhat confusing. NFP plans were 
announced nearly a year ago now, and users have had no updates on them. 
It can't be THAT hard, surely..?

> I've been asked to direct people to the new gentoo-nfp list, where all 
> of this
> will be discussed.

Or shoved out of the spotlight that is gentoo-dev, depending upon how 
you look at it.

Stroller.


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