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To: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt@...>
From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
Subject: Re: Tax return and accounting discrepancies
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:03:28 -0400
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:55 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
<wlt@...> wrote:
> Thats more about being able to get Gentoo vendor certified. Some
> corporations will only go with software the vendor supports or is
> certified against.

I think that what you're getting at is that Gentoo isn't properly
organized to be like Canonical.

I agree.

I think we need to be realistic about what Gentoo is.  I'd love to see
Gentoo grow.  I'd love to see Gentoo better able to fund its
development.  However, right now that is going to basically consist of
having better access to hardware.  I think it is unlikely that we are
going to be in a place where a substantial number of devs are paid
full-time to be devs.

The thing Canonical has that Gentoo doesn't is an infusion of capital.
 That automatically comes with strong central governance, since nobody
invests millions of dollars without making sure it is being
well-spent.

So, while I agree that you're describing an ideal-state (sort of -
there might be many contributors to Gentoo who wouldn't want to be
part of a "Canonical"), I think we need to aim first for continual
improvement even if it falls short of perfection.

I do think that directors/trustees/etc are important to have, even if
perhaps they are not a legal necessity.  Gentoo is community-driven,
so even if dictatorship is more "efficient" it probably isn't a good
fit.  Perhaps that means we won't sell as many units as Canonical, and
perhaps we just need to live with that.

As Mike said, when interest is limited you have to do what you can
with what you have.  Sure, we can argue about whether it is "good
enough" but that doesn't change anything.  If elected I expect to have
to get my hands dirty, and I don't mind doing so (was just reading up
on NM/IRS law last night).  Many hands make for light work, but we
don't have many hands, so we just need to do what we can with what we
have.  In the end we aren't collecting a paycheck and can't afford to
start writing them.

Having been involved with other types of non-profits (churches) I do
want to also caution about something that can happen when well-meaning
people try to solve these kinds of issues in the wrong way.  I've been
in churches that were highly volunteer-driven, and they had enough
labor to get the job done.  Then I've seen them become successful, get
money, start paying professionals, and start having serious problems.
When the balance starts shifting towards paid labor, then volunteers
can feel left out (they aren't around for the Tues 10AM planning
meeting or whatever), and they can move on to other places where they
feel like they have more impact.  That leads to more demand for paid
staff, and now the budget is taxed.  Your big volunteers tend to
correlate with your big financial contributors (they're the ones who
care), and as they leave your budget is attacked on both ends.  The
result can be a really big mess.

This doesn't happen to a business that started out top-down and grew
top-down with a big budget organically.  The two types of operations
are fundamentally different in makeup and dynamics even if an org
chart for either can look similar.

There is no reason that something similar couldn't happen here.
Gentoo is a community-driven distro, and we need to keep the community
healthy above all else.

Rich


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