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This time including comments.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:25:16 -0700
Chris Gianelloni <email@example.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 20:42 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > I have a vested interest in the definition of a "full developer" I want
> > to propose something like "Gentoo developers become members of the
> > Gentoo Foundation on the first anniversary of their join date, as held
> > in the individuals LDAP record." That makes it nice and unambiguous
> > for election officials. It also defines developers as anyone who has an
> > LDAP record.
> > and "Foundation membership ceases at the close of the trustee election
> > following the members retirement from the project."
> > I don't want serving trustees retired unless they resign from the
> > Foundation separately under its bylaws.
> If only (essentially) current Gentoo developers are able to be
> Foundation members, what's exactly the point? I'm seriously asking
> here. One thing that has consistently been brought up is that there is
> no representation for non-developers in the Foundation. The Gentoo
> Foundation is supposed to be about the Gentoo community, not just a
> selective and restricted subset of said community.
> I can see having some kind of "timeout" for membership, but it should
> *not* be based on someone's role within the Gentoo developer community.
> Perhaps participation in the Foundation should count. For example, I
> should be able to quit Gentoo today, but as long as I still continue to
> vote and provide input on Foundation matters, I should be allowed. Now,
> once I quit contributing to the Foundation, I see no reason why I
> shouldn't lose my status, but I should also be able to get it back
> without having to become a developer for a year... again.
I agree, and I suspect the trustees support this.
> Remember, the Gentoo Foundation is what drives Gentoo (the distribution)
> or at least that's how it is supposed to be. Let's not think of things
> backwards. The current ideas seem to stem from the idea that the
> distribution controls the Foundation, when it should be the exact
> opposite. The Foundation *should* be a proponent of the community. It
> *should* take in what the community wants and try to steer the
> development pool in that direction. It should be a catalyst for
> positive change within Gentoo, not simply a reactionary body that does
> nothing more than echo the wishes of the developer community. After
> all, if it's nothing but the developers, why make it separate or have
> differing rules? Why not just make someone a Foundation member on day 1
> of their developer status and revoke it on the last day? Wouldn't that
> fit in better with any ideas that revolve around the distribution
> controlling Foundation membership?
> It's my personal opinion that the Foundation should have the ability to
> control its own membership. Currently, membership is decided by an
> external third party (the Gentoo distribution's Developer Relations
> team) and based on some fairly arbitrary term of service. That worked
> out great for the *original* Foundation, but really needs to be
> rethought. Remember guys, you have the ability to rebuild the
> Foundation how you see fit. Don't pass up this opportunity because of
> history or the status quo. Do what you think is best and everybody else
> be damned. ;]
I agree with this. By law, the membership of the Foundation is
determined by the Foundation's bylaws, not by other Gentoo projects. I
think what you are saying is pretty much in line with our own thinking,
and thanks for the comments.
> Chris Gianelloni
> Release Engineering Strategic Lead
> Games Developer
> firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list
Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <email@example.com>
Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees)
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