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This time including comments.
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:25:16 -0700
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Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o> wrote:
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> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 20:42 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: |
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> > I have a vested interest in the definition of a "full developer" I want |
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> > to propose something like "Gentoo developers become members of the |
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> > Gentoo Foundation on the first anniversary of their join date, as held |
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> > in the individuals LDAP record." That makes it nice and unambiguous |
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> > for election officials. It also defines developers as anyone who has an |
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> > LDAP record. |
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> > and "Foundation membership ceases at the close of the trustee election |
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> > following the members retirement from the project." |
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> > I don't want serving trustees retired unless they resign from the |
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> > Foundation separately under its bylaws. |
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> If only (essentially) current Gentoo developers are able to be |
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> Foundation members, what's exactly the point? I'm seriously asking |
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> here. One thing that has consistently been brought up is that there is |
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> no representation for non-developers in the Foundation. The Gentoo |
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> Foundation is supposed to be about the Gentoo community, not just a |
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> selective and restricted subset of said community. |
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> I can see having some kind of "timeout" for membership, but it should |
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> *not* be based on someone's role within the Gentoo developer community. |
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> Perhaps participation in the Foundation should count. For example, I |
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> should be able to quit Gentoo today, but as long as I still continue to |
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> vote and provide input on Foundation matters, I should be allowed. Now, |
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> once I quit contributing to the Foundation, I see no reason why I |
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> shouldn't lose my status, but I should also be able to get it back |
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> without having to become a developer for a year... again. |
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I agree, and I suspect the trustees support this.
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> Remember, the Gentoo Foundation is what drives Gentoo (the distribution) |
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> or at least that's how it is supposed to be. Let's not think of things |
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> backwards. The current ideas seem to stem from the idea that the |
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> distribution controls the Foundation, when it should be the exact |
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> opposite. The Foundation *should* be a proponent of the community. It |
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> *should* take in what the community wants and try to steer the |
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> development pool in that direction. It should be a catalyst for |
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> positive change within Gentoo, not simply a reactionary body that does |
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> nothing more than echo the wishes of the developer community. After |
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> all, if it's nothing but the developers, why make it separate or have |
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> differing rules? Why not just make someone a Foundation member on day 1 |
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> of their developer status and revoke it on the last day? Wouldn't that |
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> fit in better with any ideas that revolve around the distribution |
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> controlling Foundation membership? |
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> It's my personal opinion that the Foundation should have the ability to |
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> control its own membership. Currently, membership is decided by an |
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> external third party (the Gentoo distribution's Developer Relations |
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> team) and based on some fairly arbitrary term of service. That worked |
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> out great for the *original* Foundation, but really needs to be |
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> rethought. Remember guys, you have the ability to rebuild the |
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> Foundation how you see fit. Don't pass up this opportunity because of |
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> history or the status quo. Do what you think is best and everybody else |
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> be damned. ;] |
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I agree with this. By law, the membership of the Foundation is
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determined by the Foundation's bylaws, not by other Gentoo projects. I
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think what you are saying is pretty much in line with our own thinking,
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and thanks for the comments.
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Regards,
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Ferris
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> Chris Gianelloni |
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> Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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> Games Developer |
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- --
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Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o>
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees)
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