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On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 00:37 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: |
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> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:10 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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> > On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 00:01 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: |
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> >> sorry, i didnt mean bylaws, but rather the charter, or whatever |
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> >> document that describes the non-profit. it used to say we needed 7 |
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> >> trustees, but it has since been changed to 5. |
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> > No worries, but again a legally entity does not require a |
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> > board/trustees, but officers. If the charter did not make provisions for |
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> > officers, then that could be the source of the problem :) |
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> > I think you might mean the articles of incorporation vs charter? The |
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> > articles seem to state a requirement of 3. |
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> there it is. the correct phrasing doesnt really matter as to the |
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> correctness of my original point ... if we are legally obligated to |
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> provide X people, then filling an empty seat with any eligible person |
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> is better than leaving it empty. |
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Well again legally there is a need for officers, not trustees. Doesn't |
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seem like there was ever a good or organized structure. Much less |
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articles reference bylaws which never existed till 4 years later :) |
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> obviously i havent read the documents to the level you have as ive |
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> trusted things to "just work" |
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No worries, and I could be wrong on many things just the same. I really |
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hope I am wrong. Unfortunately its quite clear things never did work. |
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Gentoo has just been limping along somehow :) |
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The ideal structure for any entity is to have a board that is separate |
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of the officers. The board is in control of the officers, and things in |
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general. The officers just enact the will of the board, and do the |
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mundane office duty stuff. |
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What happened was in 08, I realized there was nothing setup for |
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officers. We had to have officers to get the foundation re-instated back |
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then. I really did not want to be an officer, as it requires much more |
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effort than a trustee/board member. I basically put forth that the |
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trustees should serve as officers, going in the order of rank by the |
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election. Whom ever came in #1 is president, #2 vp, #3 secretary, #4 |
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treasurer, and me #5 nothing just a trustee :) |
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However that was really a band aid, temporary solution. The Foundation |
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really needs to have officers, and a much larger board, like the |
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articles state. With officers doing the work, and board members |
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providing oversight, direction, review, etc. The Foundation members |
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elect a board, and the board choses officers. Though could let members |
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vote for officers just the same. |
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Also I think in Daniels vision for the Foundation had a much more |
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proactive role. Not outranking council, but still over them in a |
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structural sense. In an ideal structure, the council becomes CTO. Still |
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100% in charge of technical matters. But for example if devrel remains |
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and took some action that needed to be appealed. That appeal would be |
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handled by the board, not the council. Offloading work from the council, |
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which is very likely not technical in nature. |
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Board could facilitate relationships with vendors. Which then the |
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council/CTO takes over the technical lead/direction. But the board would |
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help to steer and lead Gentoo. There are many non-technical matters, |
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which I do not believe all of those should fall under the council. |
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I need to document my concepts a bit and make a chart showing the |
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relationship between each entity. But just to be clear, the foundation |
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would never dictate to the council. If anything the board makes requess, |
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with the council having final say on all technical matters. Just as the |
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board has final say on financial and legal matters :) |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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Obsidian-Studios, Inc. |
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http://www.obsidian-studios.com |