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>> 300K will buy you a lot of books, but do you need it? Has anyone tried |
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>> talking to the big publishers, to see if we can arrange discounts on |
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buying |
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>> books (and maybe getting copies for free)? |
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> Mike has worked with oreilly a bit... |
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> I would see your efforts better used in such things as education |
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> vs trying to get all together for a pow wow. |
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That'd actually be quite nice and useful, as the Oreilly books are |
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quite good actually as reference and training material. I'm sure |
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theres quite a few that we could all use from their extensive collection. |
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>> Sure, we could pay for |
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>> general C, C++, Python, PHP, Ruby et al training, but do we really |
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need to? |
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> Yes.. most of our guys can't code their way out of a hand basket. if |
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> they could we would see more proactive base development (which we don't) |
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I'll be the first to raise my hand here and fully admit that in a lot |
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of languages that probably should at least be known a bit I don't. I'm |
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unfortunately a great bad example in this case. I don't know c and I |
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don't know C++. I can read the code up to a point and understand some |
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of what is going on, but to write it I'd be completely lost. That |
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would go for most languages. The languages that I do know to a point, |
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it would take me hours what it would take someone else to write in |
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thirty minutes. Part of this is because I don't write code all that |
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often, my skills in it don't improve. |
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>> If there's such a skills shortage atm amongst Gentoo developers, how |
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>> they get to be Gentoo developers? ;-) |
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> We have had lower standards than we really should of in the past. |
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> In case you did not notice for year or so there was an influx of |
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> developers for tiny pkgs (no names as that would be very rude). |
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> Thankfully that has slowed down and the ones who were not really as |
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> qualified as they should of been are in much better shape now. |
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Again, based on what I believe you are going for with this reply I'm a |
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great bad example. I didn't come in to do a tiny amount of packages. I |
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came in not knowing what the heck I was going to be doing exactly, and |
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got picked up...well basically swallowed by x86. Its turned out that I |
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hopefully do quite a bit (I certainly feel that I spend quite a lot of |
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hours doing it after work), however its not what you'd really call |
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development that you are talking about later on. Its a Quality |
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Assurance job. So in that sense, I shouldn't be here. I don't take any |
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hard feelings about it as I understand that I'm not as valuable to the |
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project as someone who can code their way out of the paper bag. I have |
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a limited scope of what I am capable of doing. |
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>> I'm looking at the |
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>> intangibles, such as the effect that a fragmented and polarised group is |
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>> having on moving the distro forward, and on general morale. I look at |
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other |
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>> opensource projects that I'm involved with, and I see that face to face |
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>> contact breaks down communication barriers. |
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> regional events do this quite well. |
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I'd like to see more regional events actually, as those are something |
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that devs in the area can generally get to. Now that takes regional |
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coordinators or something of the like but its a option that a lot of |
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people could possible afford on their own..if held someplace |
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unrealities cheap. |
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