Gentoo Archives: gentoo-nfp

From: Scott W Taylor <swtaylor@g.o>
To: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Summary of NFP options
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:51:04
Message-Id: 1081824661.9609.79.camel@Star.BerthoudWireless.net
In Reply to: [gentoo-nfp] Summary of NFP options by Daniel Robbins
1 On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 18:39, Daniel Robbins wrote:
2 > Hi guys,
3 >
4 > Here is a very short summary of the NFP progress so far:
5 >
6 > 1) I have committed to get something going by the end of this month (April.)
7 > This would be either an establishment of an NFP, or some kind of action plan
8 > to set up multiple entities like a NFP with one or more cooperatives to
9 > provide funding.
10
11 Letting the people that care about and feel they would be affected by
12 such changes is as important to me as the final outcome.
13
14 > 2) The main issue of concern for me is (obviously) not getting the NFP set
15 > up as soon as humanly possible but making sure that whatever is really best
16 > for the Gentoo community, as it is very hard to change things once things
17 > have been established.
18 >
19 > This has been very difficult because I have been trying to meet many
20 > conflicting and contradictory expectations of users and developers:
21 >
22 > A) Expectation: Gentoo will be competitive against Microsoft
23 > Reality: Microsoft spends $6.8 Billion USD on R&D every year.
24 ...
25 re: comment in meeting about how users become the testbed for unstable
26 linux software: so are Microsoft users, but linux users aren't required
27 to pay to be tested on.
28
29 > B) Expectation: I want to be able to work on Gentoo full-time.
30 > Reality: As time goes on, Linux and free software is getting
31 > supported more
32 ...
33 > Good question. These big companies will want some return on their
34 > dollar, so they
35 > will expect you to do what *they* want and not what you want.
36 ...
37 This is precisely why i feel uneasy about a largely money-backed
38 operation being in control of gentoo. Even if current or former gentoo
39 people end up running it for the first year.
40 ...
41 > C) Expectation: Gentoo should be representative of user needs.
42 > Reality: Having an open participatory model makes it easier for
43 > external entities (such as the dreaded Microsoft) to co-opt (ie take over) the entity.
44 ...
45 As opposed to one that can be bought into? The current "open
46 participatory" model involves people participating and giving back to
47 the community to even get in. Participation may be open but it requires
48 a little more than just a checkbook.
49
50 > D) Expectation: Gentoo should be set up to protect against co-option.
51 > Reality: This requires a closed and non-participatory
52 ...
53 I've worked as a federal contractor, and in a small office run out of a
54 glorified condo out in the woods, and many places inbetween. The common
55 thread was that when people felt things were being run fairly and
56 equitably, they were much more willing to put in the overtime and not
57 complain about feeling slighted. One day, that little company in the
58 woods got acquired by a venture-capital-backed startup headed up by
59 former vice presidents of various banks and mortgage companies. After
60 the takeover, people got pathetic 2% raises and were told straight up
61 that it'd be the last raise for another year. So, we no longer had much
62 of a say in the organization, while we kept hearing about all the money
63 they were spending on the marble fountains for the out-of-state
64 corporate offices we'd never see or use.
65 ...
66 > E) Expectation: We should have 501(c)(3) status
67 > Reality: I have learned that 501(c)(3) status is for charities.
68 ...
69 > 3) Several major universities are in negotiation about setting up some kind
70 > of entity to fund Gentoo development, and I am participating in some of
71 > these discussions.
72 ..........
73 Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the coop, I like seeing a way to
74 help push along various open-source projects, even more so if Gentoo was
75 to be their flagship platform - the one that gets the most, or first
76 shot at benefits from any development or promotions that come from
77 having an actual budget.
78
79 Something I've always respected about open source projects is that
80 contributions are mostly merit-based. If someone wants to contribute,
81 and they have good code, they are in. Sure, its somewhat of a utopian
82 view, as personality conflicts can get in the way. But truly open
83 projects have been this way for quite some time. When I first started
84 contributing fractal algorithms and printer drivers to fractint, and
85 even introduced a publisher to the whole concept (the book "Fractal
86 Creations" and a few others were the result of this). By the way, I was
87 14 when I did this. I could not have bought my way into an organization
88 then, and was discriminated right out of any real office, but online it
89 didn't matter.
90
91 My vote for gentoo as a distribution is to keep it pure. I have a vested
92 interest in keeping it running as well as it possibly can, because I use
93 it. Its my desktop, its my server, its my laptop. We already are
94 responsive to users, from bugzilla and other sources. There are people
95 out there making sure it runs well. Its not because they bought in to a
96 coop, its because they already care about the product.
97
98 If you can get corporations and universities to chip in to a fund that
99 can help get better drivers built, or even show hardware manufacturers
100 that there is a presence out there aside from just ibm that wants linux
101 to succeed, and can better coax vendors to release open drivers for
102 (video, network, firewire, etc) hardware, or allow interested developers
103 to do so without resorting to trying to reverse-engineer their gear,
104 then that would be great too. But since not all that money will be going
105 directly to gentoo, I feel that there would be fewer concerns about how
106 a money-based organization, even if its called a coop, would have
107 somewhat of a conflict of interest with gentoo itself.
108
109 If gentoo was declared a NFP, even though it might be more restrictive,
110 it sounds to me like that would be just the thing to help keep gentoo
111 pure by forcing the books to stay clean, and still giving universities a
112 charitable way to write off equipment and bandwidth which is helping us
113 and our users. And if they can afford to chip in to the organization
114 that funds development to further the growth and stability of linux
115 (including gentoo), then that is a great thing too. Although those two
116 things have a symbiotic relationship and benefit from each other, they
117 do not have identical goals and motivations, and for that reason I feel
118 they should be separate entities. It is important to have a clear focus.
119 Being pulled in two directions at once is likely to cause a rift.
120
121 ...
122 > You will need to choose between an "open, participatory" (and co-optable)
123 > and a "closed, non-co-optable" (and non-representative/unfair) governing
124 > model. So let me know which you prefer and I'll get it set up. The other
125 > alternative is to try to find some kind of compromise, where the government
126 > for the not-for-profit isn't too fair or open, but is more bureaucratic and
127 > harder to co-opt. Let me know which one appeals to you.
128 >
129 > Sincerely,
130 >
131 > Daniel
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135 Scott W Taylor <swtaylor@g.o>
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Summary of NFP options Ned Ludd <solar@g.o>