Gentoo Archives: gentoo-nfp

From: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wltjr@g.o>
To: gentoo-nfp <gentoo-nfp@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:51:46
Message-Id: 1200531107.3380.24.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc. by James Laslavic
1 On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 15:57 -0800, James Laslavic wrote:
2 >
3 > Next, I said that Gentoo is losing developers. Again, notice the amazing
4 > vanishing acts currently being performed at all levels of Gentoo.
5
6 Have you done any research to see if those that were responsible for the
7 lacking areas have resigned? I think you might be surprised to see they
8 are all still active. There were other reasons for all of it, none of it
9 due to a lack of devs, or losing people.
10
11 snip ...
12
13 > The last thing I want to say is that I did have a lot of trust in the
14 > Gentoo world,
15
16 Hmm, then why are you running Gentoo still? :)
17
18 > but again, just take a look at this past year.
19
20 And what has technical gone wrong with the project as a whole? You have
21 pointed out 1 technical shortcoming, no second release in 08. But their
22 were logical delays there. Given some of the technical issues with
23 2007.0, subsequent releases got more QA and thus delays.
24
25 GWN was a lack of articles, call for help went out repeatedly. No devs
26 stepped up, nor users, so no GWN.
27
28 Foundation is another matter, but neither devs or users gave a crap.
29 People can say they do, but look at this list archives, and the lack of
30 traffic over the past year. Did anyone really care that does now? Of
31 those that say they care, did anyone do anything? Everyone can only
32 blame themselves. Which most all devs have done and we are past it and
33 on to solving the problem.
34
35 snip...
36
37 > We can blame DistroWatch
38 > for the negative attention all we want, but just dismissing everything
39 > and saying that it all came out of nowhere is not encouraging.
40
41 Is any of that negativity technical related? I see no one talking about
42 our technical shortcomings or failures as a project. Which the project
43 is quite healthy.
44
45 snip..
46
47 > But until then, a lot of us feel like
48 > there is no other plan to trust in anyway.
49
50 Trust the code or don't. It's all open source, so there for you to see.
51 If you trust the code, then you should trust those writing it, and other
52 decisions they might make. The rest is some what moot.
53
54 --
55 William L. Thomson Jr.
56 Gentoo/amd64/Java

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