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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 22:34 -0400, Mark Loeser wrote: |
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> Have any requests for a FreeBSD box occurred? |
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Not formally. But if that request gets honored. I would have to spend |
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more time doing something I am not interested in. |
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> Would this actually help development? |
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Because back in January I started to move from dev-java/serlvetapi to |
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java-virtuals/servlet-api. |
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http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/ServletApiToVirtualPackages |
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Which I have been effectively stalled. Due to some packages being |
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keyword for BSD, and others not. |
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http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205082 |
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http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214768 |
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> Is the problem with getting development done a lack of |
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> people, and not a lack of hardware? |
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This is preventing progress for months. I filed a bug, then later one |
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tried to request it directly to the two remaining doing anything BSD. |
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One of the direct contacts had some humor in it, and the other party |
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reacted to that. Then did nothing to address bug, or my issue. |
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> I'm rather confident its the former rather than the latter. |
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What ever way you feel it is. |
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> You seem very focused on paying for all of the hardware, people's time |
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> is much more expensive. |
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If you look in archives. I had past thought of people being paid. Others |
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objected, so much that I have completely dropped that. I am not going to |
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waste anymore time looking into possibly paying others to do Gentoo |
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develop. When the others I was looking to have paid first, provided |
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allot of resistance. |
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I can spend my time finding ways to get myself paid through my own |
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company. Not people contributing their lives to Gentoo, and trying to |
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get them compensated there. |
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> Well, I think the way you have presented in this thread is really silly. |
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Ok so you don't like my idea or how I presented it. |
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> Effectively you are saying we will have people pay to become a member of |
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> the foundation so they can "vote". |
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Who is we? If we is a person or individual, then no $. I was very clear |
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on that. If we is a business, say AMD, Sun, etc. Then they pay and |
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appoint a representative. Who can't be an individual member. |
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I can't state that any clear. Business who could make $ off Gentoo pay |
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to be a member. People don't. |
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> I have never seen a foundation vote |
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> for some "feature" or anything else occur, and it really will amount to |
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> nothing since features and other requests should go through the council. |
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What strategic relationships does Gentoo have with any vendors. To get |
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Gentoo certified on that hardware, tested etc. Some gear has come our |
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way in the past. But no strategic relationships like other distros have. |
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Which includes BSD wrt to Java. |
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> If something actual has technical merit, it will get recognized by |
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> someone. |
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And if not technical? |
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> You obviously haven't worked in any sort of company or group. |
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Yes, and you know me so well. No I am not part of the steering committee |
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for the Florida Linux Show. No I have never worked for big businesses, |
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attended RBCs, etc. |
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> Addressing concerns of those in a group is a major part of leading any |
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> initiative. Get used to it. |
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As long as the concerns hold some merit. Also as long as those with the |
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concerns are willing like I. Do do something they don't want to, just to |
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see that it get's done. I would rather not be a trustee. I am only one |
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to see things get done that weren't. |
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> Have you considered that some of don't consider these to be |
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> improvements? |
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So nothing is better right? Like the saying goes, Do Something, lead |
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follow or get out of the way. |
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> Any open source project could be crippled by the loss of a sponsor. |
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Not FreeBSD with their $400k. Or the Gnome Foundation with their paid |
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member model. |
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http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/documents/2008%20Q1%20Profit%20Loss.pdf |
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http://foundation.gnome.org/about/ |
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Advisory board member companies pay an annual fee which helps finance |
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the operations of the GNOME foundation. There are two levels for |
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commerical companies. |
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* Small company: 1-49 employees. $5,000 / year |
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* Medium and large company: 50 or more employees. $10,000 / year |
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> This is the nature of a community supported open source project. |
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No this is the nature of small projects. I have provided two examples |
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above. There are more out there. |
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> Maybe if we were Fedora this wouldn't be a problem, but I like that we are |
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> do not have corporate backing, and I hope we stay this way. |
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That is my intentions. For Gentoo to have it's own funding as a NPO. To |
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never be reliant anyone sponsor, donor, person, corporation, etc. |
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To answer to know one but the cause that is Gentoo's mission. Putting |
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out the best OS in the world. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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