Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.

[Senno During]

this is my feeling too. So far drobbins has given an option. i have
heard good things about it, and bad things about it. Though, no
alternative is known to me. i hope to hear about one soon!

i also believe there will always be devs/users (are pretty important
too i think!) that are not going to be happy with the choice that is
going to be made.

i do feel that Gentoo, currently, needs a sort of dictator, like Linux
with Torvalds. Of course, you always hope for the right choice and right
ideas from the leader then. But no decisions being made by a group, just to
prevent a dictator style, doesn't sound right to me either.

Senno During

On Jan 16, 2008 11:09 PM, Sergey Kuleshov <svyatogor@×××××.com> wrote:
> I'd second almost everything Caleb said. I do feel, that Daniel should
> come back. And if he does I'll try to come back to the developers
> (which I left some time ago). not that I think this will make any
> difference, but just wanted to express my opinion as well.
>
> and when I hear peoples' concerns about handing him control of Gentoo,
> I have only one question in return - any better options? cause what we
> have now proved to be quite a failure.
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 10:07 PM,  <gibbonsr-ml@××××××××××××××××××.com> wrote:
> > That WooHoo feeling seems to be held by most, Honestly at first i was there
> > also.
> >
> > But now that I've calmed down, and started reading through everything I do
> > not share the feeling.  Do I think Daniel can help? Yes.  Should we accept
> > his current offer by Friday? No.  Why?  Many reasons, some having to do with
> > the fact we just don't know enough.  Another one is he is wanted
> > unquestionable control ... which is dangerous to give to anybody, no matter
> > how great the man once was.  Would we give JFK or Lincoln complete control
> > of the US, no checks, no balances .. no. (sorry to the non-us citizens for
> > that example, best I could come up with in such sort notice).
> >
> > I know Daniel can help, but I also believe anybody who is committed enough
> > can help.  Somebody needs to take this personal, and take it as a part-time
> > job and execute on actions, and be held accountable for what they did or
> > didn't do.
> >
> > The past is the past, both good and bad.  I think if Daniel would sit down
> > with the Foundation, trustee, council and even allow others to join and
> > listen (not speak, but listen) and then hash out a set of guidelines .. then
> > great.  But we shouldn't accept him blindly and unconditionally at this
> > point in time.  If Daniel doesn't want to sit down and talk this out, then
> > he doesn't need to be back.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Alberts" <john.m.alberts@×××××.com>
> > To: "Caleb Cushing" <xenoterracide@×××××.com>
> > Cc: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:54:00 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] drobbins, leadership, etc.
> >
> > It might be prudent to back up your claims, conclusions, and suggestion with
> > some type of fact.  I'm not saying I disagree or agree with you, but
> > basically, all you said was "WooHoo! Bring back Robbins!"
> >
> >  John Alberts
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2008 3:43 PM, Caleb Cushing <xenoterracide@×××××.com> wrote:
> > > just joining the conversation. I vote to bring drobbins back. Even though
> > i as
> > > a user/admin and potential future developer, have no vote.
> > >
> > > I would also like to note that under the current leadership, of which I
> > have
> > > no confidence, I have no desire to be a gentoo developer. were this
> > > leadership to change and with some more improvement of my own skills I
> > would
> > > consider it. I of course do not believe this decision is based on me, and
> > am
> > > not attempting to inflate my own worth. but am merely pointing out that I
> > may
> > > not be the only person who feels this way.
> > > --
> > > Caleb Cushing
> > >
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> > >
> > > Due to low Internet availability I may not check
> > > my email more than once a week, and thus cannot
> > > guarantee a response time.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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