On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 03:00 +0000, Steve Long wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 00:49 +0000, Steve Long wrote:
> >> I'd also like to nominate patrick who runs gentooexperimental.org,
> >> hosting amongst other things pkgcore (which cross-pollinates with
> >> portage) and notTheGWN:
> >> http://gentooexperimental.org/not-the-gwn/not-the-gwn-current.html
> >
> > Yes, we definitely need people that were "retired" from the project to
> > run our legal entity. *roll eyes*
> >
> Hmm ok, only he was in the eligible list and has contributed an awful lot to
> Gentoo, but not really as a technical developer over the last year or two.
> More as a business analyst imo, although he's stepped up to provide infra for
> some of the more innovative work that goes on.
He *is* eligible, but he was removed from the project. This really
needs to be taken into consideration.
> > Has anybody even taken the time to stop and think about someone's actual
> > *legal* capabilities before nominating them?
> >
> I have actually, as I would hope my other nominations would show. Have you
> ever stopped to consider that maybe you're not the best judge of qualities
> you haven't exactly displayed? Or have I missed something and you have a pool
> of qualified lawyers lined up wanting to take on this *legal* job?
How so? Do you have a clue what I have or have not done? Of course
not. Instead, you just feel the need to run your mouth like usual.
Please, continue with the ad hominum attacks. It really helps your
position.
> > Seriously, technical achievement means *nothing* here. This is purely a
> > staff/financial/legal position we're nominating for...
> >
> Yeah that takes more than just *legal* capability. It also takes managerial
> ability, as well as business expertise, both of which Patrick possesses. OFC
> these are not skills especially prevalent in the /technical/ developer pool
> as the record of your time as Trustee shows. It's the same type of skills
> that drobbins would bring, were he eligible to stand.
No, it really doesn't take any managerial capability. The trustees are
*not* managers. They do not tell anyone what to do, nor do they lead
the project in any way. The trustees are paper pushers. I'm sorry if
you don't realize that, but there's only so many times that it can be
said before it becomes obvious that you're either ignoring it, or too
dense to comprehend it. I'll let you decide which.
> I believe him to be the kind of person you want helping you manage the
> organisational side of things, which requires people who can empathise and
> motivate, not snipe and whinge at every opportunity. OFC, neither you nor
> anyone else has to vote for Patrick (assuming he'd even want to stand after
> being subject to the first personal attack in this process.)
Yes, because his organizational skills at organizing FOSDEM for Gentoo
was excellent. In fact, his skills were so good that several developers
got left in the cold for over an hour, waiting for transportation that
Patrick had promised and which never arrived. How about the demo
machines that Patrick lined up for the show? Oh, that's right, SeJo,
pvdabeel, and myself had to do that the day of the show because Patrick
didn't do anything.
Now, you can call it a personal attack if you wish. I hope that you
realize that I don't care what your opinion is on pretty much anything.
While I've been working to improve Gentoo, you sit on the sidelines and
tell everybody how poorly they're doing. Well, step up or shut up.
Personal attacks are when one says something that is an attack on a
person or their character. Stating pertinent *facts* about a nominee
seems to me to be something that would be *wanted* but I see that we're
going to have some armchair developers out there screaming that it's a
personal attack just because it puts the person in a bad light.
Sure, Patrick has contributed quite a bit via his gentooexperimental
project, but that doesn't change the *facts* of his time as a Gentoo
developer.
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Chris Gianelloni
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