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William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 10:36 -0700, Chrissy Fullam wrote: |
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>> How would Gentoo benefit from having non-developers (individuals as you put |
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>> it) and businesses (you don't mention sponsors so I presume any business, |
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>> say Intel) be allowed to become part of the foundation and have a vote? |
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> By allowing the greater community to feel they are participating and |
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> have a role in Gentoo. Not limiting the Gentoo community to just |
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> developers. |
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Why not? |
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> Also everything I have been reading in posts, and hearing in like |
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> interviews. Which includes Vapier/Spanky's recent interview. Pretty much |
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> calls for help from the community beyond development stuff. So those |
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> people should have some form of representation. |
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Right now the major issue I see within gentoo, past the rudeness that |
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result in removal of poisonous people, is the will to do something ELSE |
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than our core values: experiment, enjoy the results, have fun. |
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> Unless you or others feel we should ignore the community. |
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Which community? |
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> And only reflect the will of the community through developers and |
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> the council. |
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I do not see any problem with that. Who does, decides his own fate. |
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> Just to play out a scenario real quick for those concerned with power. |
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> The community would like to see A. The foundation hears that, and goes |
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> to the council and says hey. There is lots of interest in A. What are |
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> the chances of it happening? Council makes a call/ruling, and that's |
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> that. |
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Bogus. |
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People would like to see A, developers found A interesting, discussion |
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happens among them, A gets done or not depending on the consensus |
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The council got involved only IFF the consensus hadn't been reached. The |
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foundation has NOTHING to do with this. |
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> If the community is unhappy, sorry we can't please all. But at least |
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> this way they have some influence, can participate in some way, and at |
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> least are heard. |
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Gentoo is a volunteer project, your value/honor/weight is given by your |
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contribution to the project, that doesn't mean that non-developers have |
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no chance to give an input, that just means that they have to convince |
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others that their idea has a value. Everybody is free to participate by |
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proposing on the gentoo-dev mailing list, contacting developers working |
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on the area they are interested in, helping project and subprojects |
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within Gentoo evolving. |
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>> Also you mention Gentoo making money off this arrangement, can you please |
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>> elaborate how the money comes into play? Where does it come from, how do we |
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>> determine how much, and what do we do with it, etc? |
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> Money would come from businesses wishing to be members. Not from |
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> individuals. The amount is yet to be discussed, and I am open there. But |
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> I do feel a tiered system is based. Where the amount does change based |
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> on company size. |
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We got already sponsors, how that would change the relations we have |
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with them? Again being a volunteer project the main contribution should |
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be made in time and people. A business should hire developers or provide |
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people willing to develop for Gentoo. Money by itself is less |
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interesting and useful. |
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> I think it's unfair to require a large corporation to pay the same |
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> amount to be a member as a small to medium sized business. Maybe it's |
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> unfair to have a tiered system where they pay different amounts. Not |
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> sure. Up to debate, discussion, and majority there. |
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I think that's unfair thinking about this. |
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> As a business would have a benefit of using Gentoo. In some form, that |
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> one would assume is reflected on their bottom line, profit wise. I feel |
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> they should give back to the community. While that is optional now. If |
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> they want to participate in some form beyond just contributing $. Then |
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> they should be required to pay for such privileges. Essentially paying |
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> for a membership, and right to vote. |
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They should get their right to vote by doing not buying. |
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> ( This would never apply to individuals, which would be free to join, |
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> short of filling out an application/form, maybe a quiz, etc. ) |
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Business last time I checked is done by individuals. |
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> Now we are talking about a very small amount of influence if any at all. |
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Considering what you suggested in another thread and on irc, it looks |
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quite a large amount once the foundation got some of the power the |
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council is supposed to have. |
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> Being as how the foundation does not steer or control the project. The |
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> council does. |
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But strangely you are the same person asking for more power to the trustee. |
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> It's mostly like a honorary thing. They could use it in |
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> marketing etc. Our company supports and is a member of the Gentoo |
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> Foundation, etc. Which could mean squat, but then again 99% of all |
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> marketing is just hype so :) |
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We got sponsors and again they are volunteers. |
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Looks like the keyword here is "volunteering". |
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Luca Barbato |
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Gentoo Council Member |
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Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC |
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http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero |
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