Gentoo Archives: gentoo-osx

From: Grobian <grobian@g.o>
To: gentoo-osx@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] on stable and unstable ppc-macos
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:55:15
Message-Id: 4319D55D.2080904@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-osx] on stable and unstable ppc-macos by Hasan Khalil
I will shut up and wait.  Sorry.

Hasan Khalil wrote:
> > On Sep 3, 2005, at 04:14, Grobian wrote: > >> My opinion here is that there is something wrong if portage isn't able >> to tell what it needs to run a package in ~ppc-macos. Maybe this is >> not easily fixable, and should we do some extra hacks to make the two >> worlds play nice again. However, I don't think having a fully ~arch >> system is equal to a user that runs a stable system and wants to grab >> one package from the unstable branch. > > We feel that you are absolutely correct here, and that a fundamental > capability of portage is to be able to tell _exactly_ what is necessary > in order to build/install/use a package. Unfortunately, portage makes > several assumptions in this process, and not all of these assumptions > are valid for the ppc-macos/~ppc-macos mixed case. > > As a solution, we feel as though it's high time that the ppc-macos > (stable) keyword is dropped entirely, in favor of ~ppc-macos (testing), > tree-wide. This would obviously solve the problem detailed by Fabian > above. There are several reasons that we feel this is a good idea, and > long overdue: > > * We don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep up with a stable > branch. > * The project is just too young, with too many fundamental (read: > system packages) aspects changing too frequently to keep up with a > stable branch without constantly breaking the > 30-days-without-bugs-before-stable 'rule'. > * Even the 'stable' branch frequently breaks (read: compile-time or > run-time errors in various packages), currently. > * Did we mention that we don't have enough manpower to fix, maintain or > keep up with a stable branch? > * We don't have a large enough user-base to justify bumping packages > from testing to stable by just waiting for the > 30-days-without-bugs-before-stable timeout to expire (this point was > previously discussed on this mailing list). > * Oh yeah, the manpower thing. > * As it is, we currently (or at the very least have, in the past, and > will, in the future) needlessly hold up older versions of various > packages from being removed from the portage tree because there is no > later version that has been marked ppc-macos (stable). > * No, really, we just don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep > up with a stable branch. > > In summary, we wish to extend a notion[1] that was previously mentioned > on this list, and put forth that we should immediately replace all > instances of the ppc-macos (stable) keyword in KEYWORDS with ~ppc-macos > (testing). > > So what's the verdict? > > - Hasan && Lina > > [1] That is, to hold off bumping packages from testing to stable. See > "On keywording ppc-macos", a thread started by Fabian Groffen on this > list. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.macosx/396 > > -- > > Hasan Khalil && Lina Pezzella > eBuild and Porting Co-Leads > Gentoo for Mac OS X >
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