Re: [gentoo-osx] on stable and unstable ppc-macos

[Grobian]

I will shut up and wait.  Sorry.

Hasan Khalil wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2005, at 04:14, Grobian wrote:
>
>> My opinion here is that there is something wrong if portage isn't able
>> to tell what it needs to run a package in ~ppc-macos.  Maybe this is
>> not easily fixable, and should we do some extra hacks to make the two
>> worlds play nice again.  However, I don't think having a fully ~arch
>> system is equal to a user that runs a stable system and wants to grab
>> one package from the unstable branch.
>
> We feel that you are absolutely correct here, and that a fundamental
> capability of portage is to be able to tell _exactly_ what is necessary
> in order to build/install/use a package. Unfortunately, portage makes
> several assumptions in this process, and not all of these assumptions
> are valid for the ppc-macos/~ppc-macos mixed case.
>
> As a solution, we feel as though it's high time that the ppc-macos
> (stable) keyword is dropped entirely, in favor of ~ppc-macos (testing),
> tree-wide. This would obviously solve the problem detailed by Fabian
> above. There are several reasons that we feel this is a good idea, and
> long overdue:
>
>  * We don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep up with a stable
> branch.
>  * The project is just too young, with too many fundamental (read:
> system packages) aspects changing too frequently to keep up with a
> stable branch without constantly breaking the
> 30-days-without-bugs-before-stable 'rule'.
>  * Even the 'stable' branch frequently breaks (read: compile-time or
> run-time errors in various packages), currently.
>  * Did we mention that we don't have enough manpower to fix, maintain or
> keep up with a stable branch?
>  * We don't have a large enough user-base to justify bumping packages
> from testing to stable by just waiting for the
> 30-days-without-bugs-before-stable timeout to expire (this point was
> previously discussed on this mailing list).
>  * Oh yeah, the manpower thing.
>  * As it is, we currently (or at the very least have, in the past, and
> will, in the future) needlessly hold up older versions of various
> packages from being removed from the portage tree because there is no
> later version that has been marked ppc-macos (stable).
>  * No, really, we just don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep
> up with a stable branch.
>
> In summary, we wish to extend a notion[1] that was previously mentioned
> on this list, and put forth that we should immediately replace all
> instances of the ppc-macos (stable) keyword in KEYWORDS with ~ppc-macos
> (testing).
>
> So what's the verdict?
>
>     - Hasan && Lina
>
> [1] That is, to hold off bumping packages from testing to stable. See
> "On keywording ppc-macos", a thread started by Fabian Groffen on this
> list. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.macosx/396
>
> --
>
> Hasan Khalil && Lina Pezzella
> eBuild and Porting Co-Leads
> Gentoo for Mac OS X
>

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