I will shut up and wait.  Sorry.

Hasan Khalil wrote:
> 
> On Sep 3, 2005, at 04:14, Grobian wrote:
> 
>> My opinion here is that there is something wrong if portage isn't able 
>> to tell what it needs to run a package in ~ppc-macos.  Maybe this is 
>> not easily fixable, and should we do some extra hacks to make the two 
>> worlds play nice again.  However, I don't think having a fully ~arch 
>> system is equal to a user that runs a stable system and wants to grab 
>> one package from the unstable branch.
> 
> We feel that you are absolutely correct here, and that a fundamental 
> capability of portage is to be able to tell _exactly_ what is necessary 
> in order to build/install/use a package. Unfortunately, portage makes 
> several assumptions in this process, and not all of these assumptions 
> are valid for the ppc-macos/~ppc-macos mixed case.
> 
> As a solution, we feel as though it's high time that the ppc-macos 
> (stable) keyword is dropped entirely, in favor of ~ppc-macos (testing), 
> tree-wide. This would obviously solve the problem detailed by Fabian 
> above. There are several reasons that we feel this is a good idea, and 
> long overdue:
> 
>  * We don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep up with a stable 
> branch.
>  * The project is just too young, with too many fundamental (read: 
> system packages) aspects changing too frequently to keep up with a 
> stable branch without constantly breaking the 
> 30-days-without-bugs-before-stable 'rule'.
>  * Even the 'stable' branch frequently breaks (read: compile-time or 
> run-time errors in various packages), currently.
>  * Did we mention that we don't have enough manpower to fix, maintain or 
> keep up with a stable branch?
>  * We don't have a large enough user-base to justify bumping packages 
> from testing to stable by just waiting for the 
> 30-days-without-bugs-before-stable timeout to expire (this point was 
> previously discussed on this mailing list).
>  * Oh yeah, the manpower thing.
>  * As it is, we currently (or at the very least have, in the past, and 
> will, in the future) needlessly hold up older versions of various 
> packages from being removed from the portage tree because there is no 
> later version that has been marked ppc-macos (stable).
>  * No, really, we just don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep 
> up with a stable branch.
> 
> In summary, we wish to extend a notion[1] that was previously mentioned 
> on this list, and put forth that we should immediately replace all 
> instances of the ppc-macos (stable) keyword in KEYWORDS with ~ppc-macos 
> (testing).
> 
> So what's the verdict?
> 
>     - Hasan && Lina
> 
> [1] That is, to hold off bumping packages from testing to stable. See 
> "On keywording ppc-macos", a thread started by Fabian Groffen on this 
> list. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.macosx/396
> 
> -- 
> 
> Hasan Khalil && Lina Pezzella
> eBuild and Porting Co-Leads
> Gentoo for Mac OS X
> 

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