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From: Lina Pezzella <J4rg0n@g.o>
Subject: Re: on stable and unstable ppc-macos
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:34:52 -0400
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> The problem is happening for real at http://bugs.gentoo.org/ 
> show_bug.cgi?id=87758
>
> there baselayout is necessary.  However, baselayout is only pulled  
> in the initial "emerge system" if you use ACCEPT_KEYWORD="~ppc- 
> macos". Hence, I can't compile, because QTDIR is not set for me,  
> while someone having a complete ~ppc-macos system can.  Portage  
> won't pull the dependency of baselayout for a reason I think, but  
> the particular problem sheds this light on the whole problem of how  
> to test what on which system.

This is basically the basis of Hasan and my proposal to drop stable  
support for ppc-macos. The reason "emerge system" pulls in different  
packages dependent on whether you are running ~ppc-macos or ppc-macos  
is that baselayout-darwin and coreutils-darwin are not yet ready for  
stable. What I mean by this is that they haven't been sufficiently  
tested and may still change significantly.

The crux of the issue here is that we are only really pretending to  
have stable support. We all agree that there are "stable" packages  
that don't work. This is not "stable", and imho we shouldn't pretend  
to have stable support when we really don't. Additionally, I think QA  
would improve drastically if all developers could work on the same  
system setup and expect users to have the same system setup.

Once we have the manpower and a less dynamic setup (right now our  
profiles change frequently, we are toying with the prefixed-install  
idea, baselayout and coreutils are changing) we definitely should  
support stable. Until then I think it is just a misnomer that should  
be dropped.

>
> I still think that I either shouldn't have been able to emerge QT  
> or that "emerge system" should provide the same base for {,~}ppc- 
> macos, since portage doesn't pull these packages because they are  
> never depended on.

If we only had ~ppc-macos, this would have never happened, nor would  
the bug on mediawiki.

>
> I think you cannot sell a WONTFIX/REJECTED/INVALID to a user that  
> emerged unstable QT and doxygen on a stable profile.  But people  
> may disagree with me here.

You probably could, but I agree that this is not a nice solution.

- --Lina Pezzella
Ebuild & Porting Co-Lead
Gentoo for OS X

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-- Nick Dimiduk
Re: on stable and unstable ppc-macos
-- Finn Thain
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