On Aug 9, 2005, at 2:36 AM, Grobian wrote:

> Kito!  Think Different(tm)! :)
>
> Just my two newbee cents:
> 1) I've heard this too many times now I guess, so I think it would  
> be a
> Good Thing(tm) if Pieter -- assuming you all speak the truth and  
> he's gone
> for good, or near to it -- would resign from his "lead" job.  A  
> king in
> another country is of no use, as he cannot reasonably know what his
> citizen need.

I agree, I was just pointing out that it needs to be dealt with  
before any changes happen.

> 2) Every country, how small it may be, needs a king!  Why?  Doesn't  
> that
> sound rediculous for only 4 people?  Why do you think the Dutch  
> (me) have
> a Queen?  The Ustated Nights are approx. a million times bigger,  
> and still
> we have one.  Why?  Because that's the person to pick when you want to
> have some official contact to the group.  Or the country.  It's more a
> symbolic task, especially in this small group, but good for the  
> image to
> the outside.  A group without a leader is by definition an unorganised
> bunch of eh... hackers.

I <3 your analogies ;)

Again, agreed! I'm not saying we don't need a leader in place, I'm  
saying we don't need another leader in name only...IMHO the ideal  
situation is a current Gentoo dev-team leader who would be interested  
in migrating to OS X.

>
> It's all about perception, if you look professional, people think  
> you are.
>  Given the fact ppc-macos is considered to be the pain in the place  
> where
> the sun don't shine, I think we would benefit from an organised (and
> professional) look.  New faces, new attitutes, new contacts.  Damn, it
> looks like I'm giving a marketing course here.  Welcome to the  
> world of a
> Business Information Systems guy!

Its not *all* about perception... lots of PR,hype, and empty titles  
without alot of code to back it up is one of the things that got us  
in trouble in the first place.

>
> So, Lina and Hasan, I think what you want to do is a (c)Good Start 
> (tm)(r).nl
>
>
> On Tue, August 9, 2005 02:16, Kito wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Hasan Khalil wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We would like to hold an election for the positions that we have
>>> been more-or-less filling unofficially, as the new metastructure
>>> suggests. We would like to be candidates for Operation Lead (Lina)
>>> and Strategic Lead (Hasan).
>>>
>>
>> I was wondering how long it was going to take you guys....
>>
>> Who gets to vote in this election?
>>
>> Shouldn't the entire Gentoo dev team have some input?
>>
>> Shouldn't this wait until after the council elections are finished?
>>
>> What will change once you two have been elected?
>>
>> You should also probably address the fact that there is still a
>> strategic lead in place (pvdabeel)  before deciding amongst
>> yourselves to hold an election...
>>
>> I know titles can be fun and addictive, but I'm not sure declaring an
>> election to lead a team of 4 people, when 2 of them are basically
>> jointly running, is the Right Thing(tm) at this point in time... yes
>> the project needs leadership but this smells a little funny.
>>
>> --Kito
>>
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