On Aug 9, 2005, at 2:36 AM, Grobian wrote:
> Kito! Think Different(tm)! :)
> Just my two newbee cents:
> 1) I've heard this too many times now I guess, so I think it would
> be a
> Good Thing(tm) if Pieter -- assuming you all speak the truth and
> he's gone
> for good, or near to it -- would resign from his "lead" job. A
> king in
> another country is of no use, as he cannot reasonably know what his
> citizen need.
I agree, I was just pointing out that it needs to be dealt with
before any changes happen.
> 2) Every country, how small it may be, needs a king! Why? Doesn't
> sound rediculous for only 4 people? Why do you think the Dutch
> (me) have
> a Queen? The Ustated Nights are approx. a million times bigger,
> and still
> we have one. Why? Because that's the person to pick when you want to
> have some official contact to the group. Or the country. It's more a
> symbolic task, especially in this small group, but good for the
> image to
> the outside. A group without a leader is by definition an unorganised
> bunch of eh... hackers.
I <3 your analogies ;)
Again, agreed! I'm not saying we don't need a leader in place, I'm
saying we don't need another leader in name only...IMHO the ideal
situation is a current Gentoo dev-team leader who would be interested
in migrating to OS X.
> It's all about perception, if you look professional, people think
> you are.
> Given the fact ppc-macos is considered to be the pain in the place
> the sun don't shine, I think we would benefit from an organised (and
> professional) look. New faces, new attitutes, new contacts. Damn, it
> looks like I'm giving a marketing course here. Welcome to the
> world of a
> Business Information Systems guy!
Its not *all* about perception... lots of PR,hype, and empty titles
without alot of code to back it up is one of the things that got us
in trouble in the first place.
> So, Lina and Hasan, I think what you want to do is a (c)Good Start
> On Tue, August 9, 2005 02:16, Kito wrote:
>> On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Hasan Khalil wrote:
>>> We would like to hold an election for the positions that we have
>>> been more-or-less filling unofficially, as the new metastructure
>>> suggests. We would like to be candidates for Operation Lead (Lina)
>>> and Strategic Lead (Hasan).
>> I was wondering how long it was going to take you guys....
>> Who gets to vote in this election?
>> Shouldn't the entire Gentoo dev team have some input?
>> Shouldn't this wait until after the council elections are finished?
>> What will change once you two have been elected?
>> You should also probably address the fact that there is still a
>> strategic lead in place (pvdabeel) before deciding amongst
>> yourselves to hold an election...
>> I know titles can be fun and addictive, but I'm not sure declaring an
>> election to lead a team of 4 people, when 2 of them are basically
>> jointly running, is the Right Thing(tm) at this point in time... yes
>> the project needs leadership but this smells a little funny.
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