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From: Stroller <macmonster@...>
Subject: Re: Some Introduction
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:14:16 +0100
Sorry to come to this so late - I'm just back from holiday.

On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:38 am, Kito wrote:
>
> Maybe you misunderstood, what I think is futile is trying to avoid 
> overwriting files, and accommodating things portage has no knowledge 
> of or control over.

Unless you avoid over-writing Mac OS's system files Gentoo-OSX will 
never become mainstream. I don't know if this is of interest to you or 
not, but I for one will never install Gentoo-OSX unless it installs 
safely into an /opt (or similar) directory - overwriting Apple's system 
files is _bound_ to break something eventually.

You say that accommodating Appe's system is accommodating files portage 
has no knowledge of or control over, but at least you have control over 
the whole portage tree.

Imagine I spend several ££$£$$£$£$£ on Mathematica, and have a problem 
with it; I contact Wolfram support and they say, "Do you have 
Gentoo-OSX installed? Sorry, we can't support you - you might have 
over-written any of Apple's system files, so we need to you format your 
hard-drive & reinstall OS X before submitting this bug".

There is no way that Gentoo can resolve a situation like this to the be 
benefit of the user. If, on the other hand, apps-foo/bar-player depends 
upon Apple's tar to unpack it, and Apple break that, then you're in a 
position to change the ebuild and have a fix rolled-out for all users 
next time they sync the tree.

I haven't ever used Portage on OS X, and I don't develop for 
Gentoo-Linux (just submit the occasional bug report and do testing), 
but I've been using Gentoo for a couple of years now and have been 
interested in this project from the start - it was my G4 that Dan 
Robbins shelled into to first try porting Portage in June 2003. It 
seems to me that an understanding that over-writing Apple's system 
files MUST affect system stability, and is hence something that the 
majority of users should avoid, would go a long way to getting this 
project taken more seriously by devs of other arches.

Stroller.


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