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From: "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <flameeyes@g.o>
Subject: Re: Re: [gentoo-alt] ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:30:41 +0200
On Thursday 14 September 2006 14:32, Grobian wrote:
> You know this is pretty not so true.  We did a GWN message on it, and
> got a lot of shit on that back.
No, you got ciaranm yelling at you. I wouldn't consider that "a lot of shit", 
especially considered that *I* was the one who should have handled him, as I 
was, and still am, the Gentoo/Alt project lead.

> Also fellow developers, which I talked 
> to (even gave a presentation on it) in Kranzberg and Brussels on Gentoo
> meetings never showed any interest nor excitement. 
I know of at least a few fellow developers who were quite interested in it, 
but didn't want it for Mac OS X, and they mostly thought prefix was supposed 
to be just for that.

> Not to mention that basically everything/everyone 
> that was involved in "it" died afterwards, left, or considers leaving
> pretty soon, feeling all got worse, instead of better.
I also told you that some issues should have handled by me solely. 
Unfortunately it seemed to me that both you and Kito were scared by the 
boogeyman, that you thought he could kill your project even when I was 
appointed as Gentoo/Alt lead covering the empty seat and thus being the one 
the boogeyman should have talked to.

And mind what? I didn't receive any complain directly, because it was more 
effective to scare you guys off than trying to find a reason while being in 
the wrong side of the discussion.

Maybe we didn't get much support in the past, but also the QA issues brought 
on by solar was handled pretty quickly, without any problem, ending up 
dissolving like a soap bubble.

I think the only thing that might resurrect Gentoo for Mac OS X, and Prefix 
together, and Gentoo/Alt as a whole, is trying to do more public things. 
Maybe we should find a developer to handle these things and blog about them 
(exg, want to open one?) so that it gets more spot on. You told me before 
that you wanted something usable to present before going public. Well, I 
think you have something already, but it's not public yet.

I asked you a few times to help me with the GLEP, and you basically refused. 
Of course even others refused, but they didn't have any interest in helping 
me.. but I'm pretty sure that if anybody helped with that GLEP, they wouldn't 
have found any way to hinder us on its process. But I was tired after that, 
and I admit I simply given up soon about it, thinking of more direct impact.

Right now, with the new commitment of the council, I do want this to continue 
and proceed. And I'm sorry, this will happen that you want it or not; we 
might take another year before going usable, but I'm not afraid. In an year, 
Gentoo/FreeBSD started from something almost unusable and entered the tree.. 
helped mostly by a single developer that was just recruited... because I 
wanted it and I wasn't scared by the boogeyman or by developers that didn't 
like the project at first.

And now? There are UberLord and steev with Gentoo/FreeBSD installed, hanging 
out on #gentoo-bsd and testing their own packages.

Sorry if you lost interest in Gentoo because of the devrel issue, but I'm 
afraid that was just another mistake...

Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò -
Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE
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Re: Re: [gentoo-alt] ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?
-- Grobian
ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?
-- Grobian
Re: [gentoo-alt] ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?
-- Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Re: Re: [gentoo-alt] ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?
-- Grobian
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