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On 14-09-2006 18:30:41 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: |
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> On Thursday 14 September 2006 14:32, Grobian wrote: |
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> > You know this is pretty not so true. We did a GWN message on it, and |
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> > got a lot of shit on that back. |
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> No, you got ciaranm yelling at you. I wouldn't consider that "a lot of shit", |
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> especially considered that *I* was the one who should have handled him, as I |
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> was, and still am, the Gentoo/Alt project lead. |
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Let's skip this issue, and leave it behind. |
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> > Also fellow developers, which I talked |
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> > to (even gave a presentation on it) in Kranzberg and Brussels on Gentoo |
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> > meetings never showed any interest nor excitement. |
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> I know of at least a few fellow developers who were quite interested in it, |
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> but didn't want it for Mac OS X, and they mostly thought prefix was supposed |
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> to be just for that. |
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I always stressed it not to be an OSX only thing. But anyway. I see |
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your point. |
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> > Not to mention that basically everything/everyone |
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> > that was involved in "it" died afterwards, left, or considers leaving |
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> > pretty soon, feeling all got worse, instead of better. |
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> I also told you that some issues should have handled by me solely. |
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> Unfortunately it seemed to me that both you and Kito were scared by the |
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> boogeyman, that you thought he could kill your project even when I was |
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> appointed as Gentoo/Alt lead covering the empty seat and thus being the one |
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> the boogeyman should have talked to. |
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I have no idea who or what you are referring to here. I know we don't |
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always agreed, but I never saw you as a threat to the OSX people. |
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[snip] |
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> Maybe we didn't get much support in the past, but also the QA issues brought |
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> on by solar was handled pretty quickly, without any problem, ending up |
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> dissolving like a soap bubble. |
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What is the relation between this particular action and devs not |
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interested in prefixed code? |
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> I think the only thing that might resurrect Gentoo for Mac OS X, and Prefix |
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> together, and Gentoo/Alt as a whole, is trying to do more public things. |
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> Maybe we should find a developer to handle these things and blog about them |
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> (exg, want to open one?) so that it gets more spot on. You told me before |
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> that you wanted something usable to present before going public. Well, I |
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> think you have something already, but it's not public yet. |
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Ok. So, you want to "fight". Well, my ears are opened. Listen, we |
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have something "usable", ok. But it not being public? It's public as |
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hell! Well, we don't have a project page... maybe we should make one, |
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but to me, prefix is pretty obvious, and can be found with google. I'm |
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just not an IRC person, and I don't do monthly -dev postings. I |
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wouldn't mind writing some prefix progress stuff each month, telling |
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what I did. I'm willing to do something, if you think it can go |
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somewhere in a direction which is not in vain. |
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> I asked you a few times to help me with the GLEP, and you basically refused. |
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> Of course even others refused, but they didn't have any interest in helping |
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> me.. but I'm pretty sure that if anybody helped with that GLEP, they wouldn't |
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> have found any way to hinder us on its process. But I was tired after that, |
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> and I admit I simply given up soon about it, thinking of more direct impact. |
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If you refer to the GLEP of the keywords, then I think we have a |
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miscommunication. We should reword it (my english is too cryptic) and |
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flesh out the outstanding issues. If you mean a GLEP about prefix here, |
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then I don't recall someone ever mentioning it apart from ferringb. |
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> Right now, with the new commitment of the council, I do want this to continue |
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> and proceed. And I'm sorry, this will happen that you want it or not; we |
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> might take another year before going usable, but I'm not afraid. In an year, |
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> Gentoo/FreeBSD started from something almost unusable and entered the tree.. |
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> helped mostly by a single developer that was just recruited... because I |
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> wanted it and I wasn't scared by the boogeyman or by developers that didn't |
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> like the project at first. |
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You most certainly deserve kudos for putting Gentoo/FreeBSD in the tree. |
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And yes, it was done in a nice way. Just don't attack me for not being |
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the role I don't want to be. I want to spend the time I have on |
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things within Gentoo which make me glow, that doesn't mean I'm a born |
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leader or fighter for the things I want to have. |
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> Sorry if you lost interest in Gentoo because of the devrel issue, but I'm |
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> afraid that was just another mistake... |
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I bet you know that the desire to be in Gentoo making Prefix work, was |
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stronger than the anger towards it. If there would be no interest, I |
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would not be here. Though, for my own health, it is much better to be |
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working without too much aggitation. |
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Now I hope we can continue this discussion in a lighter fashion, because |
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I'm willing to make something going, to put efforts in that. I don't |
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want you to fuel your anger with my stupid stuff any more. |
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Fabian Groffen |
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Gentoo on a different level |
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