Re: [gentoo-osx] Re: sys-apps/findutils (GNU)

[Grobian]

Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Sunday 06 November 2005 21:10, Grobian wrote:
>> My opinion actually was to just let it be ~ppc-macos, since there are no
>> known problems with the OS provided find and xargs.  When we have a
>> prefix, we can just install the normal GNU find and xargs (without g
>> prefix) and have maximum compatibility with the other arches on that point.
> I think you shouldn't install it non-prefixed.
> Reasoning? You change the expected environment for also Portage, that
> currently uses GNU userland to identify find and xargs commandline.

I agree with you, but I don't follow your reasoning.  Portage IMHO 
expects it's own (GNU) find and xargs.  Or well, not Portage, but devs 
that just create ebuilds on Gentoo Linux and don't mind about your bugs 
for sticking to a common subset of supported flags.

> The tree is already safe for find and xargs syntax, and there are no big deal
> in using GNU's or BSD's find and xargs to ebuilds.
> There are for users, tho, but letting them use GNU find without knowing is,
> IMHO, an error.
> Allowing an user to select gfind explicitely is another story.

Which would be the case if we would include it in the base install. 
Since we don't override anything, we simply add it as g*.  The alias sed 
-> gsed is only used in Portage itself, it's *not* set in the global 
profile for the user.

> For what it's worth, the userland-gnu ebuild installs /usr/libexec/gnu links
> for GNU tools, also cp, mv, make, find and so on. Putting that in $PATH
> allows users to have interactive shells using GNU userland without having to
> do hacks around.

Which is nice.  Why don't we (OSX) use this ebuild?  (If it indeed does 
what I think it does.)

> Remember that compatibility is *not* only with Gentoo Linux, we should try to
> minimize the difference between Gentoo/ALT projects, too.

This is currently being made somewhat different because there are three 
flavours of Gentoo Alt systems.  Maybe you and I should have a chat on 
outlining this.

> If you start shipping in prefixes the GNU tools, people would start telling
> other Gentoo/ALT ports to do so, and I for one don't want that, as I'd rather
> see Gentoo/*BSD ports to use their own userland where applicable.
> For design decisions, such as "should we use the default or not", gentoo-alt
> is the place, don't take one-sided decisions or you'll repeat the errors for
> which many devs blames the Gentoo for Mac OSX project and Gentoo/ALT project
> entirely.

Then this rather innocent email I started this thread with, turns out to 
be a the cause of a valuable conclusion, that you and I need to do some 
work on this subject.


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