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From: Kito <kito@g.o>
Subject: Re: On keywording ppc-macos
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:23:06 -0500
On Aug 24, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Finn Thain wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Kito wrote:
>
>>> I don't think it likely that apple will open source Mac OS X (or
>>> eleven, or even system seven). I mean, is it likely that a macos
>>> profile could ever be anything but second fiddle?
>>
>> The progressive profile already is, and getting moreso as it matures.
>> fex it can/will be used to merge macos components from Apple
>> installation media. So it is in fact handling the compilation of the
>> 'bsd' portion of OS X from source as well as managing the proprietary
>> libs and tools like CoreAudio, XCode, etc. This way, packages can do
>> things like "DEPEND='>=dev-util/xcode2.1
>>> =media-sound/coreaudio'" and so on. So used in this manner,  
>>> portage is
>> anything but a second class citizen as everything in / is in fact
>> managed by portage.
>
> What I'm saying is that you cannot build Mac OS X, Apple will not  
> permit
> that. If you wan't to install X Code, you have to script apple's  
> installer
> to do it. That is 2nd fiddle.

Erm, no. It installs by extracting the files from the installation  
media similar to how other closed source software is installed via  
portage, doom, UTK2004, vmware, etc. Maybe we have different ideas of  
what 'second-fiddle' means. I interpret that as portage existing on a  
system with a specified set of fake deps in package.provided. IMHO  
portage is not second fiddle when it manages all files on the system.

>
>> Even once prefixed installs are available I intend to continue
>> development in this area to facilitate extremely minimal OS X  
>> installs
>> for specialized applications.
>
> I applaud this. But I think calling that profile "macos" is a  
> misnomer.

Where do you draw the line? If during a macos install I choose not to  
install all options available is it no longer macos proper? Macos to  
me implies CoreFoundation, Quartz, and Aqua. Tons of other closed- 
source frameworks make up MacOS as well of course, but if you add  
CoreFoundation, Quartz, and Aqua to a Darwin system, its macos IMHO.

> That's why I suggested calling upstream darwin, "ppc-darwin". The fact
> that it isn't called macos doesn't imply macos and macos packages  
> cannot
> be supported on it.

The default-darwin profile is just that, though not currently a valid  
profile with its own keyword, but all macos profiles inherit from  
that. If you have a Darwin system with the closed source macos libs  
installed, its no longer Darwin as it tends to all come back to the  
difference between CoreFoundation(macos) and CF-Lite(Darwin/ 
OpenDarwin). I think I see what you are saying, I just don't agree :p  
Anyway you look at it its all rather semantical, but needs to be  
addressed nonetheless.

Of course, when apple finally gets fed up with the warez kiddies  
running OS X on greybox crap and stops doing source releases, this  
will all become irrelevant anyway :p

>
> -f
>
>> --Kito
>>
>>>
>>> -f
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the whole question goes away when portage gets  
>>>>> prefixes. So my
>>>>> post was probably just noise. Sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> -f
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