Re: [gentoo-osx] New document: Project targets

[Grobian]

On 12-12-2005 09:36:52 -0700, Nathan wrote:
> > Anywayz, I wrote a new page yesterday:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/macos/targets.xml
>
> Sooo, after reading your new page I don't understand your comment
> about not being a prefixed project, unless you are talking about your
> defined distinction between "Gentoo for Mac OS X" and "Gentoo Portage
> for Mac OS X."

We are *not* prefixed.  This a page on what we would *like* to be,
somehow.

> ^-- Whatever you call it, it appears you've officially chosen to focus
> on the prefixed path.  Good news to me, as a working prefixed system
> is what I've been waiting for for over a year now.  (Last December
> pvdabeel was saying he working on a prototype that should be usable in
> January....then February, then maybe March, then he disappeared.)

Yes, we focus on having a prefixed install.  And to avoid any
confusion, or make it even worse hereafter, in *development* we have
*extremely* buggy beta versions of a prefixed install, which are *no way
of even being close to ready for users*.  Please note, a huge disclaimer
applies here: it's *NOT* useable at all.  What's currently in gentoo,
and in installers, is *not* a prefixed version.

> I appreciate the labels+definitions for the alternatives.  That makes
> it loads easier to refer to things and have some reasonable hope that
> others will understand what you're referring to.

I realise that this page might be a bit vague.  In the first place it is
meant for developers active in this field, and interested users.

> > The page should fill a gap in the explanation of our road ahead, and my
> Actually, the page quite admirably explained the past, the
> alternatives, and why the present focus is (rightly) turning towards
> prefixed efforts.  The future ("road ahead") wasn't really explicitly

I realised that when I re-read it.  I'll try to improve it anyway.

> mentioned.  I'd welcome a tentative future timeline at the bottom of
> the doc, if possible.  The common question outside of the core dev
> team seems to be "When will there be something that works that I can
> use [and/or contribute to]?"

This is actually a question, which's answer is much larger than just me
or the team members.  It requires the whole community to agree on a
rather large change into their core product: Portage.  You can consider
this as a road towards a huge GLEP.  Pieces that I write might be
reusable, in such document, to make it a full story, including some
experimental, but mature results.  It's not only our work, far from.
Without the help of some Portage guys, we'd never got here I think.

Since we're all busy, and progress usually comes with little bumps, I'm
hestitant to give any predictions on time frames.  I don't oversee the
whole picture yet, so I don't want to give any release dates.

Thanks for your time to read it and comment upon.


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Fabian Groffen
Gentoo for Mac OS X Project -- Interim Lead
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