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On Sun, 2019-10-27 at 13:49 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 06:58:00PM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: |
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> > On Sun, 2019-10-27 at 12:40 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> > > Most upstreams and build systems do not make this distinction, so this |
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> > > causes unnecessary hacks in ebuilds. |
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> > The hacks aren't 'unnecessary'. There is a very good reason that files |
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> > that are used *purely at build time* don't land in /. That reason is |
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> > disk space. Even if people nowadays are forced to use initramfs with |
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> > separate /usr, it doesn't mean you should just let their rootfs fill up |
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> > with useless files. |
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> The useless files argument really holds no water with me. We install |
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> many files on / that are useless in one situation or another. |
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> Some examples are logrotate files when logrotate isn't installed, |
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Do we really install logrotate files to /? |
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> systemd units for openrc systems and openrc init scripts for systemd |
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> systems. |
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Those files are at least needed in some scenarios. You're talking about |
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files that are never used without /usr mounted. And that can't be used |
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because they depend on headers in /usr/include. |
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> Talk to me about useless files on / after we put all of these, and |
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> possibly others I can't think of, behind use flags. |
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> > Do you have any *real* argument? Because 'unnecessary hack' is |
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> > basically your feeling of ebuild aesthetics. My aesthetics is more |
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> > worried about useless clutter in /lib*. FHS agrees with me, as you |
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> > yourself admitted yesterday. |
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> Any downstream hack means that we are being lazy and not reporting the |
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> bug upstream and asking them to fix it. |
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> This particular issue is not a big deal to any other distro and has |
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> never been. Shouldn't we try to get upstreams to do this if it is so |
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> important? |
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Because 'any other distro' usually means a binary distro that moves |
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files around after installing. And splits static libraries into |
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separate packages. |
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Best regards, |
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Michał Górny |
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