Gentoo Archives: gentoo-ppc-user

From: Mark Guertin <gerk@g.o>
To: gentooppc-user@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentooppc-user] Xserve
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:58:24
Message-Id: 200207171418.51341.gerk@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentooppc-user] Xserve by Sean Hafeez
1 On Wednesday 17 July 2002 13:38, Sean Hafeez wrote:
2 > You do not have a clue about what you are talking about. OS X is based
3 > on NeXTSTEP which happen to work well as a server OS - I had run 1000's
4 > of users on NeXTSTEP for years with no issues.
5 >
6
7 Sean, I _do_ have a clue, and I can tell you one thing 100% for sure, OS X !=
8 OpenStep. It is based on it (at this late point in the game very loosely as
9 all the benefits of openstep are gone IMHO). Openstep _was_ fast, efficient
10 and worked well. OS X is not fast, not efficient, and works (note the
11 omission of well).
12
13 > If you would like to talk about the strengths and weakness of the MACH
14 > kernel and the micro kernel or BSD networking vs. the Linux way, would
15 > be happy to take that off line and do so. However, your response at the
16 > point reads like dumb-ass flame bait.
17 >
18 > And what is this "true unix" you are talking about? If you want to get
19 > down to linage OS X has a better path back to the original *BSD unix
20 > then Linux does. Hum, "true unix" - what a strange idea.
21 >
22 > I run and like Linux but it has it issue just like the rest. Linux would
23 > be better off without your kind of religious zealot behavior.
24
25 As for flamebait, the quotes "dumb ass flame bait" and "religious zealot
26 behaviour" qualifies pretty high up on my list. Please everyone try to keep
27 things under control in here, I dont want this to have to become a moderated
28 list.
29
30 Everyone is entitled to their opinions and everyone comes from a different
31 point of view on it. I personally don't see much sense in running OS X
32 Server on an Xserve, or on any server for that matter. Too much bloat and it
33 uses _far_ too much resources for my liking. Tie that in with the fact that
34 you can't strip it down in any way shape or form to select the pkgs installed
35 in the bloated base and it doesn't make sense to me.
36
37 Lastly, my comment regarding mach on ppc. It's insanely slow compared to it's
38 monolithic counterparts (at least at this point in time it is). Anyone who
39 has tried to run Darwin can attest to how slow it really is. If OS X made
40 some advances in this area (and not the pathetic hacks they added to their
41 forked mach for Jaguar) they would be making more progress IMHO. Eye candy
42 and headless servers... what's the point?
43
44 Gerk

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