Gentoo Archives: gentoo-proctors

From: "Wulf C. Krueger" <philantrop@g.o>
To: gentoo-proctors@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-proctors] Documents sent to council
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:32:04
Message-Id: 200706231529.15237.philantrop@gentoo.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-proctors] Documents sent to council by Ferris McCormick
1 I was waiting for the "We'll talk about them in a bit." part or some other
2 reactions to this. As there have been none so far, here's what *I*
3 think. :-)
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5 On Friday, June 15, 2007 04:20:56 PM Ferris McCormick wrote:
6 > You asked for the documents musikc sent to council. Here they are.
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8 "E. [Proctors/Devrel] determine recruiting needs and recruit to achieve
9 them."
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11 Members of an institution that is supposed to impose disciplinary action
12 on Gentoo devs and others should not be recruited but elected.
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14 Otherwise their authority will be challenged all the time. Elected members
15 will have at least a *bit* more autority.
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17 "There is no option to think about it --- either make a stop or let it
18 go."
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20 That's a rather bad idea - no option to think about how to handle a
21 situation? If I were cynical, I'd say that's what got you into the
22 current situation. ;)
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24 "They [Proctors] work "real time""
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26 That'll lead to rushed (and therefore potentially wrong) decisions.
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29 IMO, we don't need proctors but if the proctors are kept, they should work
30 on a comlaint basis, too. Suppose both parties come from "Czamistan" -
31 they both know "big-balled goat lover" is not an insult but a
32 compliment - why should proctors react?
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34 Suppose I come from Germany (which I do :-) ) and am being called
35 a "big-balled goat lover" - if you could see me, you'd witness me roaring
36 with laughter. Even though I don't know what "Czamistan" is and that this
37 is meant to be a compliment. Many people can, btw, read between the lines
38 and understand what is actually meant. :-)
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40 We don't a big brother watching us - we can decide for ourselves if we're
41 offended or not. If we are, we can either complain to DevRel (if the
42 other party is a dev) or, if the proctors are kept, to proctors.
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44 Without proctors, we can simply ignore non-dev offenders. We may have to
45 deal with other devs but there's no obligation to interact with certain
46 users.
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48 "and after some conditioning", "re-orientation" and some other terms used
49 in either or both documents.
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51 I'm sorry and maybe it comes from the cultural differences but, honestly,
52 to me this sounds like we're going to have "re-education camps" for
53 the "misguided".
54
55 Best regards, Wulf

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