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On Sunday 10 June 2007 10:47, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: |
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> > > Do we want/accept penalties/remedies crossing mediums? (Do we want a |
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> > > ban from forums to extend to bugzilla?) |
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> > Yes. |
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> No. If the offender does behave on other mediums, why should he be banned |
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> from those? |
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To make it simple, and to get across the message that appropriate behaviour is |
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expected in all gentoo media. My personal opinion is that a higher standard |
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should be expected of devs, so I'd support user bans in forums not applying, |
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but not gentoo dev ones. They sign up to represent the distro, and the forum |
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is to my mind the reason for gentoo's continued success. If a dev behaves so |
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badly as to be banned on the user forum they have brought the office into |
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disrepute. Devs can mouth off on -core or IRC in privacy, users have to |
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interact via the forums. |
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> > > Do we want/accept permanent bans? |
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> > Yes. |
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> No! Everyone deserves another chance. |
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Sure, but after say a year of trying to get along with someone, if they |
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persistently offend and show no sign of improving, at some point the sanction |
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must be an option. If others feel differently and that's the consensus I |
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won't complain however. |
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> > > What audience? |
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> > > Do we address users and devs? (council said everyone) |
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> > ++ |
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> For devs we have DevRel. |
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Well, no offence, but it clearly hasn't proven enough. As was noted in a |
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Council meeting, all the flames have involved a gentoo dev. |
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> > > What powers can/will the proctors have over devs? |
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> > What? As above. |
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> None. |
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OK we disagree on that one, fair enough. I would just point out again that |
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it's the devs who seem to have the issue though, with the user forums and |
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mailing list frankly embarrassing the dev m-l wrt civillity and usefulness. |
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> > > Do proctors act on devs directly or through devrel? |
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> > Directly with input from kloeri and g2boojum |
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> For obvious reasons (kloeri retired), there should be no personal |
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> involvement but groups only. |
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OK, but I think those two have useful knowledge and experience. I guess I was |
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hoping kloeri would come back at some point, not necessarily to devrel. Even |
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if he doesn't, I'm sure he could be prevailed upon to provide some strategic |
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input, and I don't think gentoo should be above asking for his help. |
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> > > Are proctors elected or appointed and by whom? |
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> > Elected from pool: forum admins, devrel and council. |
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> Elected. From the developer community. |
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Well if that includes forum admins fine. Further, if you expect users to |
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submit to their authority, we need some involvement in their election. Again |
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I must point out that developer self-regulation simply has not worked. Maybe |
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that's something to do with the purely voluntary nature of being a dev, but |
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it still remains true, else the Council would not have instigated the proctor |
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project. |
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> > > Who controls the proctors? (who watches the watchman?) |
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> > Er we do. Got it? :) |
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> The council and the developer community as they can vote for someone else |
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> for the next term. |
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Well again, I must point out users seem to behave better than devs, perhaps |
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because they are not so involved. Further, I think there should be an appeals |
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mechanism, which should be transparent and open, with input from users as |
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well as devs. After all, devs tend to close ranks. |
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> > Flame on paludis minions! |
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> Would you kindly leave this out of here? Thanks! |
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Yes sorry. Thanks for taking the time to respond. |
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Regards, |
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Ranjit. |
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