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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council?
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:43:26
Message-Id: 4E47D0C2.1020007@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? by Thomas Sachau
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4 On 08/14/2011 02:14 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
5 > Markos Chandras schrieb:
6 >> On 08/14/2011 01:19 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
7 >>> Markos Chandras schrieb:
8 >>>> Hi,
9 >>>>
10 >>>> This is the second item I would like to discuss for the next
11 >>>> Council agenda ( or a later one )
12 >>>>
13 >>>> Quite a few of you know that Council acts as a court in case a
14 >>>> developer has unresolved disputes with Devrel or when he is
15 >>>> not happy with a Devrel's decision. The problem is that having
16 >>>> the same people in the Council and in Devrel makes no sense
17 >>>> since the same people will vote twice on that matter. A
18 >>>> developer who wants to appeal to Council, seeks a review of his
19 >>>> case and a fresh voting from new people. However, having devrel
20 >>>> members, which are already biased based on the previous
21 >>>> decision, makes the "Council's court role" a moot role :)
22 >>
23 >>> I have to ask the same here as for the other proposal:
24 >>
25 >>> Why do you restrict your proposal to a specific project? The
26 >>> issue you are pointing at is the same for any other project,
27 >>> where someone does open an appeal to council to vote on a team
28 >>> decision he does not want to accept.
29 >>
30 >> I don't follow. I thought disputes were handled this way
31 >>
32 >> 1) Contact the guy and resolve the issue with him without bothering
33 >> the rest of team members 2) Ask team lead 3) Ask devrel 4) Ask
34 >> Council
35 >>
36 >> There is no way to go from 2->4 without devrel's involvement.
37 >
38 > So lets try with an example:
39 >
40 > A dev wants to join the Sunrise project and i as the lead say no to
41 > him.
42 >
43 > This means, both 1 and 2 are already done, 3 does not seem reasonable
44 > to me, since it looks unlikely to me, that DevRel could/should force
45 > a team to accept a new member, which would end with the last point.
46 > And if both sides keep their point, council could either force his
47 > addition, which will usually mean, that the team lead leaves or
48 > accept the decision of the team lead.
49 >
50 >
51 I don't think Council is eligible to force this. The council is not
52 supposed to interfere with how teams operate.
53
54 - --
55 Regards,
56 Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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