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On 08:38 Mon 12 Nov , Steve Long wrote: |
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> I feel less comfortable with the following: |
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> 1) "a strong lead to ensure the team's actions fit the council's CoC |
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> interpretation." |
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> While I agree the team needs to act consistently, and in a united manner (ie |
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> speak with one voice, as it were) I do not think placing emphasis on one |
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> individual is a wise move. It places greater onus on that person, and often |
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> leads to more stress followed by burnout, with all the attendant problems |
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> which are much more difficult precisely because the individual has greater |
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> authority. |
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What I'm reading here is that a leader needs to lead, with its attendant |
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responsibilities. Having a leader creates a single source of |
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responsibility and accountability. That way, you don't have to disband |
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the whole team if you decide to take action against it (sound |
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familiar?). A single person is putting his or her reputation on the line |
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instead of getting caught up in groupthink and avoiding accountability. |
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Committees are a fantastic way to avoid blaming anyone for anything. |
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Being impartial, in my opinion, is a pipe dream. Gentoo isn't a large |
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enough community for people to not know each other. The only way I can |
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think of to deal with that is to admit your previous experiences and |
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thoughts so others can take them into consideration. |
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> 2) "It is expected that membership on this team will be highly selective and |
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> not all who wish to join will make the cut. The team will be limited to |
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> 3 people for a probationary period so we don't get dumped in the deep |
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> end right away, and it will never have more than 5 people." |
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> I don't think it should really be a job given to people who want to do it |
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> for the sake of it. The last team appeared to be the right set, based on |
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> their experience, and seemed to take the job because it needed to be done, |
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> not because it was seen as some sort of elite team. Maybe I'm being a bit |
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> sensitive to the nuance of the language, but I think the tone matters. |
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In a volunteer community, people only get really committed to things |
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they want to do. How do you propose to change that? |
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> The numbers others have commented on; I concur that it seems a bit limited |
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> (in the longer-term) to cover the timezones and ensure timely coverage. |
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> Expanding on that a bit, I think it would be good to stipulate some sort of |
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> cross-cultural mix: a team made up of purely North Americans or Anglophones |
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> is not going to be as attuned to the sensitivities of the diverse user base |
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> as is needed, imo. |
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I agree that the time zone coverage could be a bit limited with this |
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number of people. One reason for this is that we don't need to catch |
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100% of the possible things that could happen, and we don't need to |
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stare at IRC windows or mailing lists all day lonng. |
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You're right, Gentoo's members come from all over the world. That |
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doesn't mean that Gentoo itself cannot have a single culture, though, |
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wherever we came from originally. |
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> Wernfried Haas wrote: |
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> > This is quite similar to how warnings andbans are done on the forums, |
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> > we always document who warned/banned whom and for what reason and it |
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> > has worked quite well so far there. |
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> ++ to documentation, and the points others raised about an appeals |
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> mechanism. Amne also mentioned discussion with the "offender" before |
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> sanctions are imposed. While I agree that you don't want to get into an |
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> argument with people, I think you're going to have to accept that people |
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> *will* argue about it (even more so given that it's techies) and your team |
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> needs to be ready to justify their decisions. I have no issue with a mute |
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> being imposed first (for a few hours) and the discussion taking place at |
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> that point. But there does need to be that discussion, and the earlier the |
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> better, so that people are brought into line with community expectations at |
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> an early stage, when the conflict is less. |
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I agree that the team could certainly make its rationale available |
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(logs, interpretations of the CoC) upon request by someone it took |
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action against. I don't agree with discussions or arguments with that |
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person, because they will drag the team down. |
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Thanks, |
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Donnie |
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