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On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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> Cooperation doesn't include hostile take-over. |
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It also doesn't include hostile maintainers planting their feet. |
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There is no take-over. You're welcome to maintain everything but the |
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unit file and pretend the unit file isn't there. |
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> And as I said, in my opinion feature requests belong upstream. |
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It has been stated, and most seem to disagree that this is a feature |
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request. There are lots of things Gentoo does that I disagree with. |
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In the case where it has been considered and I'm just in the minority, |
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I have to live with that. If it were up to me council and trustee |
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members could overlap, because I feel that it reduces the risk of |
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conflict between the groups (even though this has never been a |
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problem). Others feel that they'd rather have more independence and |
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more people covering those important roles. I'm in the minority, so I |
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follow the rules until the rest of you realize that you're wrong. :) |
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> If what you're proposing is going to be standard practice in Gentoo, |
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> then I will be looking for a friendlier environment to spend my time |
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> on. |
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I'd really hope that you'd reconsider. The intent is for the systemd |
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team to do everything they can to avoid making your life as a |
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maintainer more difficult. However, if the concern is an ideological |
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one and not a practical one I understand. There are some Debian |
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maintainers who object strongly to non-free software in the main |
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repository, and they probably would not want to work on Gentoo as a |
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result because we do allow non-free software in our main repository. |
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That's a value call, but most Gentoo devs would rather keep the |
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packages even if it means possibly turning them away (not that they |
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wouldn't be welcome for our part). |
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I understand where you're coming from - I tend to be a bit of an |
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idealist myself. I have to resist sending hate-bugspam to Mozilla |
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every time I get pinged because somebody else adds themselves to the |
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CACert bug which has hundreds of people CC'ed. I'm sure some of my |
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emails on this list have annoyed quite a few at times as I can be |
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fairly stubborn until persuaded (you should see the emails I delete |
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before sending!). I suspect that this is a common trait among FOSS |
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developers - skill levels and as a result confidence tends to run high |
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and that makes it hard to compromise. I think we stick around because |
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we realize that there really isn't anything better out there, and on |
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our own we are worse off. |
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We really can't operate if individual package maintainers can dictate |
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policy that impacts tree-wide initiatives. Individual maintainers |
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can't turn away freedesktop entries, init scripts, logrotate/tmpreaper |
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configs, and systemd units are really no different. Gentoo isn't just |
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a mirror of upstream tarballs - we integrate. |
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